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miss Gary Heseltine he has a great

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background in law enforcement and UFOs

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both perfect guests for the show and

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yeah so I do want to tell everyone we

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have great blog over at podcast UFO calm

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and that is about police officers who

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became UFO investigators it's a great

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blog by charles lear go check that out

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last week I spoke about Leslie Kane she

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might have more to uncover well I guess

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I was a little presumptuous than that

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nothing more is coming out now I did

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want to clarify that but she will be a

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guest on the show on March 31st and I do

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want to thank everyone over at YouTube

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because last week my guest my friend and

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guest Chris O'Brien fell asleep before

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the show so he slept through our show I

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was going to cancel and I had plenty of

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work to do but you the listeners you

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stepped up and we we made a show out of

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it and it became quite the thing

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actually I got a number of email of

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people that really enjoyed it and people

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are saying you got to have another one

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of these well how about if I have a more

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of a professional one I mean I call it

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ahead of time instead of off the cuff

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and on st. Patrick's Day just don't

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drink the green beer we will have a

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call-in show on the 17th of March that's

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a Tuesday so I will announce that ahead

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of time so you can get your questions or

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our UFO stories whatever it is you want

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to talk about and get all that ready and

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so let's see contact in the desert I'm

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going to go out there and you're gonna

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be there so hopefully I will meet up

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with some of you listeners that would be

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great I know a lot of people attend that

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that's at the end of May and next week

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we have Chris Rakowski

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on from Canada rutkowski and the week

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after we have Chuck Zukowski no no how

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I'm gonna get through that without

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messing that up but

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way those two are coming up so without

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further ado well first of all I do want

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to thank everyone that helps out with

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the show and support the show it's very

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important and it's how we stay on the

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air and I do appreciate it Gary welcome

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to the show where I should say welcome

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back you're welcome it's a pleasure now

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Gary before we get into the law

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enforcement part of what you are doing

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let's let's have a little bit of your

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background you had a did you have a

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childhood sighting or an early sighting

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in your life yeah I had a childhood sign

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thing that kicked off my interest when I

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was 16 in my hometown of Scunthorpe in

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Lincolnshire and basically cutting a

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long story short I was walking my

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then-girlfriend home I was pushing my

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bicycle we were walking along a long

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narrow footpath it was a lovely August

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summer night all the stars were out

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which is pretty rare in the UK no wind

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it was summer August and it was a really

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nice warm evening and suddenly we saw a

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bright white light no distinct [\h__\h] but

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bigger than the background stars moving

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right to left and what was interesting

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is as the object passed in front of us

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all the electricity in the housing at

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the end of the footpath went off as if

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like everything behind its flight path

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was in a power-cut pal grid failure we

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watched it again for a few more seconds

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nor knows probably at a 60 degree

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elevation and then there was another

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power cook or pal grid failure behind it

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I had my bicycle with me at the time so

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I said get on the bike on the crossbar

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and I roared very quickly to the end of

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the alleyway turned right and went about

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250 meters dropped her off at her house

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I then roared as fast as I could go

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along the same alleyway footpath in the

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hope of trying to catch up this light

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that was moving very slowly in the

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direction of where I lived my home

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if you can imagine an entire area

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plunged into darkness no electricity

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anywhere it's dark and everything is

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black effectively I'm riding as fast as

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I can go and yet very close to my home

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there was a left-hand bend in the road

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and at that point I could see that the

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power was on beyond the bend so as I've

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reached the bend I looked over to my

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right shoulder and realized that I'd

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managed to get just ahead of the strange

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light that I'd seen I went around two

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corners Westdale road bears they'll rock

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where I lived

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stopped at number three dropped my bike

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outside rushed inside my parents they

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were having traditional cup of tea so

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far as we call it in the UK probably

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about nine o'clock and I said come

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outside I think there's a strange light

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I think there might be a power cut and

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they just looked at me bemused didn't

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move which isn't surprising I ran

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through the hall run through the kitchen

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out through the back door into my garden

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went to the bottom of my garden turn

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around to look at my semi-detached house

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and just as I did so the light was

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coming over my rooftop although it was

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much higher in altitude now and I don't

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know why this is always very puzzling

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when these things happen I did something

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instinctive I put my hand up as if I was

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answering a questioning class straight

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up like two four hundred ninety degrees

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and as soon as the object went past my

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hand entire area plunged into darkness

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well that's possible to predict so I

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realised that at that time that that

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object whatever it was must have had

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some interaction with the power grid

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because I've moved to a second

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geographical position it was impossible

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for me to predict the power curve and so

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that's what kicked off my interest I

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guess so that was quite a second inning

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yep as there's been a lot of cases if

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you would can you turn your audio down

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just a little bit REM some feedback

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there has been a lot of cases where

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automobiles do you happen to see any

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cars run

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that stalled out because there's there's

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a water case no actually funnily enough

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when I thought about this many years

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later I don't remember seeing any cows

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on the road which is strange because it

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was quite a busy road it's called

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Grimsley and south and I don't recall

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seeing a car but I was probably so fixed

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on trying to get back I'm him not of

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noticed but I don't recall see in any

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car but what was really strange is the

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fact that on that corner the power was

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on so you you had this surreal

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experience they were going from pitch

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darkness into electricity in the light

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it was that there was a demarcation of a

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street lamp so before it was complete

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darkness and then beyond it all the

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power was on in the homes and the

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windows so it was a very kind of surreal

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experience well that's what kicked off

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my interest I had known prior to have

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you ever wondered what the actual emic

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the mechanics were that would have

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turned these you know the lights off in

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particular homes like all

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electromagnetic issues or something like

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that have you ever tried to figure

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without what that could have been well I

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get I guess it would be some kind of VM

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interference but the thing is I didn't

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know anything about the subject and then

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when close encounters came out after my

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sighted if you think about the early

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part of the film Richard Dreyfuss goes

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up on top of the hill and he sees the

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UFOs and there's like a power grid went

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off block by block right and it's kind

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of like that but not from an aerial

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perspective so that came after my

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sighting and I I remember the first

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thing that I did because we talked in

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1976 a long time ago I was 16 and so

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basically it was just before the

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videocassette era and we control and get

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videos VHS Betamax that kind of thing oh

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yeah the only thing that I could do to

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find anything about flying saucers I

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heard the term obviously UFO as I do at

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the term was got my secondhand bookshop

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suburb of where I live which was called

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Ashby and I remember going in the second

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and bookshop and this is really strange

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the first book that I got was by major

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Donald Kehoe who turns out to be to be a

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major hero

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perhaps the greatest UFO hero from from

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an et perspective of drumming you know

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kept saying it CT h CT and i find that

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of all the books that could have found i

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found his last book aliens from space

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and it was remarkable because in that

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there was an entry about the new york

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blackout

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I think 1965 and the eastern seaboard

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was knocked out for about seven or eight

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hours right and millions of people were

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trapped in lifts everything stopped kind

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of thing and that was rumored to have

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been triggered by UFOs overloading the

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power boxes so it straight away I got

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some kind of confirmation that this was

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not unheard of what I'd seen amazing

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yeah there was a quite a baby boom right

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after that blackout so just to let just

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a little listener know we have a Lee

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Spiegel is going to be coming on at

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after the top of the hour just for a

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quick a minute here he's got an

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announcement to make so I think I see do

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I see cats in the background in your

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wouldn't get along good with cats

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probably because if they see you count

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on the TV they goemon so let's talk

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about your your background in and police

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and law enforcement

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we never get involved in that well I

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began by becoming a military police

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officer I served in the Royal Air Force

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police for six years between 1983 and

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1989 and I always think that this is

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relevant as the story as my story is

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progressed is that of my six years

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about three of them were served doing

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guarding nuclear weapons on tactical

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nuclear weapons on to nuclear weapons

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storage areas now if you think about

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that my subsequent research and

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involvement in the Rendlesham forest

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case I have a kind of a unique

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background I did exactly the same as

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what the US Air Force security listed in

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the 81st ie I was on the weapon storage

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areas I guarded the nukes I walked the

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wire I roared around on mobile I did

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everything that the 81st did who were

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involved in the Rendlesham event so I

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kind of had a unique insight into that

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and I'd always realized just because of

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the numbers involved that there must

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have been many more witnesses especially

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when people were rumored to have seen

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beams being shone down into the nuclear

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weapon storage area now I know from the

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re-ups point of view that they were

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always robbing two-man patrols walking

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around there were other single person

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patrols along designated lines of fences

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so I knew that there would be witnesses

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to that and and now obviously my

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research into carpal green has uncovered

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a witness Steve ROM Jarrow who is was

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one of the 81st who was inside the

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weapon storage area that he confirmed

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was deployed with tactical nuclear

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weapons and that he was inside when he

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saw us for China beam down into the

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nuclear storage bunkers so that's a

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pretty big deal and that will be covered

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heavily in capable green before

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confirmation that pardon me before we

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move on from that I just wanted to say

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that you know I've had I had Charles

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halt on a few times of one one time I

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had him on I asked him you know were

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there nuclear warheads and he said he's

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actually upset at me he was upset that I

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asked that question and said it's

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classified I can't you know I can't

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answer that so how would this this

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person that you spoke with

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how can he freely talk about it I mean

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is it not office because he was never an

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officer he was a young airman he was

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only newly arrived on base he was the

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lowest of the low in terms of rank he

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was put with the senior Airmen on the

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weapons storage area Donnie beam passed

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out to go on shift a few days wrong time

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wrong place but he's there walking

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around with his m16 when he sees a UFO

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and it's shining a beam down into weapon

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storage area don't forget I had a

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seven-year collaboration period with

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Charles Holt developing a film script

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that I'd written and he collaborated

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with me on that until I ended it in late

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2014 and basically I have been a good

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insight into Charles holt and Charles

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salt as an officer and a senior officer

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at that he's always through the stunts I

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can neither confirm or deny but I never

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understood why the likes of John and Jim

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said the same thing because I can tell

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you six witnesses in careful Green will

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say it's tactical nuclear weapons that

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were guarded and they weren't officers

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well and in your opinion do you think

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you do think that whole event had to do

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with the the weapons I mean is that a

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possibility I think it's the key again

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we digress slightly but the first night

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I sat down and talked with Colonel Holt

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was during the filming of a UFO Hunters

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episode in the UK when he had been flown

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over with bill burns and his crew and I

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was there because of my background in

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the RAF police with nuclear weapons and

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I'd suggested I go along because I'd

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like to ask will hold some questions

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well I knew that he was never going to

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say publicly that there were nuclear

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weapons there and I understand that but

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privately we on the first night we

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arrived he didn't know me but I knew of

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him we met up at the hotel

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we were told we weren't needed that

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night this was kind of 6-7 p.m. so we

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ended up chatting in the bar next to the

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hotel I think he was all the hotel bar

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for three or four hours and we got on

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famously

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and he told me there and then that there

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were more nuclear weapons there than

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anywhere else in Europe now what you've

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got to understand is that nuclear

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weapons it was a nuclear weapons base

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the weapon storage area is for nuclear

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weapons tactical nuclear weapons weapons

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to be deployed an aircraft to go out a

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moment's notice to fight the Soviet

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regime as it was now he said that again

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to me three years later when he was

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doing some filming well when we were

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doing a walk round my wife was filming

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on her on her iPhone as we did a walk

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round of the forest again as it was for

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another documentary that never actually

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was aired but we had some free time and

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it was daytime and I said well why don't

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we do a walk round so we did a walk

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round basically trying to see if it

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would trigger any memories and it did

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and we had a very good conversation now

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at various points and I want to point

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out that my wife is not a camera woman

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that's all she in fact she's not very

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good to be honest but she took

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intermittent film clips with his

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knowledge and as we were walking around

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and actually there was probably 30

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minutes of footage altogether and whilst

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he didn't say on camera he said it to

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both of us in the presence and hearing

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of Lynne who was only a few meters away

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that there were more nuclear weapons

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than anywhere else in Europe now I'd

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kind of forgotten all about that but

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after his book came out the whole

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perspective he kind of denied saying

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that to me and yet he'd said it to me

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twice well the second time he'd said in

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front of my wife and I'd forgotten all

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about that but she said no I remember

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that and I said why do you remember that

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and she said because he was talking

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about the peace protestors @re of green

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and common which was the US Air Base

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where tactical nuclear weapons were

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supposed to have been stolen that's

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where the peace protestors thought they

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were and she said I had a friend who was

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part of that peace protestors and he was

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very dismissive of them and it kind of

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triggered and I felt indignant towards

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him because he was having a put-down

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effectively one of my friends so that's

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her trigger memory which is a very

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trigger memories just gonna let the dogs

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out yeah trigger memory for her and and

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so yes she's happy to corroborate me on

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that so I really do think that

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Rendlesham forest is all about nuclear

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weapons because you've got to set it in

402
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the time frame in December of 1980 there

403
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were two major world crisis going on the

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Iranian hostage crisis which was

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obviously the Middle East and that was a

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power decay and obviously the u.s.

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people were very upset about that but

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more importantly in many ways was what

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was going on in Europe because this

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pertained to the British bases because

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they would be at the forward end of any

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Soviet expansion into Europe and so

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basically what you had was hundreds of

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thousands of Soviet troops massing on

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the Polish border now a bit of a history

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lesson there that Union had put down

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revolts in Hungary and Czechoslovakia by

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rolling the tanks in and quelling public

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revolution and there was every chance

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that the Polish shipyard workers it was

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going to happen again so there were

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hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops

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massing on the borders so you've got two

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major world crises going on and think

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about what it was I was told more

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nuclear weapons there than anywhere else

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in Europe they shouldn't have been there

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in the numbers that's what I think it's

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all about and they're amazing

430
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our guest is tending to his little pups

431
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right there I'm a dog lover right yeah

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you know Charles

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Charles and I had a disagreement and of

434
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something that he told me in South

435
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Carolina

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and I brought it up on the show and it

437
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it caused a problem it caused a major

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unfortunately lost a friend

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I had a friend all because of this issue

440
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and Charles and I straightened it out

441
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basically that to the fact that he's

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saying that I think that I heard him say

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it

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way I know who I'd put my money on and

445
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well unfortunately yeah I mean it just

446
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didn't it didn't it didn't you point out

447
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he well understand we digress slightly

448
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but what you got to understand is that

449
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I've now been looking into Rendlesham

450
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publicly since that very first year for

451
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hunters program in a public way is a

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researcher from to fatly 2007 and here

453
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we are almost 13 years later so I over a

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big knowledge and obviously I've done a

455
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lot of investigation over the last two

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and a half years both with witnesses and

457
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going over the whatever materials been

458
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out there in the past in previous

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research and I would have to say that

460
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Colonel Hall as many of the people have

461
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kind of come to the conclusion has been

462
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one of the most distant people out there

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about Rendlesham and yet I had no idea

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when I started my collaboration that

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that would be the case why would I doubt

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the word of a colonel however as time

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went on I realized that he knew a lot

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more he'd said that he would always tell

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me everything but clearly as time went

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on he knew a lot more that he never told

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me and subsequently after I ended the

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relationship I've found out a lot of

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things and from all the witnesses where

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they're in a broad disagreement with him

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but not the John Jim and Charles halt

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show am i Fred there is real discard

477
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when you talk to all the witnesses who

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were there who don't come forward

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because they don't like the narratives

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the way it is being portrayed for almost

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25 years now since they retired and I

482
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think this will change when carpal green

483
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comes out because all I'm bothered about

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is the truth

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the cards fall where they fall from my

486
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point of view what would be my point in

487
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line there is no point credibility just

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goes out the window

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Nick pop seems to think that I should be

490
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locked up for perpetrating a hoax on the

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whole community well why would I do that

492
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Nick I have nothing to hide and you're

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in for a shock when careful greens comes

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out this summer well it needs it needs

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to shake things up because the narrative

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is being steered and it is wrong just

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just just as an investigative point of

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view think of what many people now put

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Rendlesham because of its consecutive

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nights event has been up there with

501
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Roswell some people think it's better

502
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than the Roswell case it's hard to ever

503
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determine but it's an important case but

504
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the point being that there is a lot more

505
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information that is none and yet it

506
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doesn't ever get aired on TV in

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documentaries and I think there's a

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reason why and it has subtly to do a lot

509
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with general Hall when for that UFO

510
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Hunters program literally this is the

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first two days I've met him I suggest

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that we go on to the weapon storage area

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it was a great thrill for me to get on

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there and I said I'd like to go up to

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the top of the 80-foot weapons storage

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area tower that gives a full 360 because

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I had worked in those towers and so I

518
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knew what to expect and we got up there

519
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before the film crew there at the bottom

520
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setting up their equipment ready to come

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up to the top and I had my video camera

522
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with me my own personal video camera and

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I said would you do a little piece for

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me what you'd already told me and he

525
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said yeah fine and basically on-camera

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which I've got the clip and it's been

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out in the public demand for several

528
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years is he says and it's almost

529
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verbatim I said tell me what you just

530
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told me and he said well I've been

531
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approached by somebody was in the tower

532
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on one of the nights and they basically

533
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said that they too saw the beams come

534
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down into the weapons storage area and

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then he added which was totally

536
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unprompted and the men on the ground

537
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also saw it too walking around inside

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the weapons storage I saw it

539
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now again that's on video now you can't

540
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:51,740
take it back if it's on video and yet he

541
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:53,960
is denied ever seen what he said to me

542
00:25:03,999 --> 00:24:57,440
and so I leave you that conundrum on

543
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:04,009
Charles hope and I believe in some way

544
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:08,240
that he has been compromised

545
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:12,350
to sector to keep to a certain line by

546
00:25:18,419 --> 00:25:15,289
his allegiance to the u.s. air force and

547
00:25:21,399 --> 00:25:18,429
his rank well wow that's interesting so

548
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:21,409
anyway I just wanted to just finish off

549
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:26,230
that you know what I had just said just

550
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,049
you know I said it but still it's it's

551
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:33,679
he said to me that again I'm just gonna

552
00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:36,710
repeat what I said before that he told

553
00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:39,350
me that he does believe that I thought I

554
00:25:45,399 --> 00:25:42,830
heard him say that and and he does blow

555
00:25:47,529 --> 00:25:45,409
that he did not say that to me but it

556
00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:47,539
wouldn't surprise me at all because it

557
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:50,679
really doesn't make sense as he claims

558
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,779
that he was never interviewed never

559
00:25:58,269 --> 00:25:56,480
questioned that doesn't make sense when

560
00:26:02,440 --> 00:25:58,279
we're talking about consecutive nights

561
00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:02,450
of UFO activity and I can reveal it's on

562
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:05,080
the base to on the base in several areas

563
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:07,610
over several days it's not just in the

564
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,710
forest and yet all of that was played

565
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:11,600
down and in fact there are some major

566
00:26:15,249 --> 00:26:13,220
incidents to come out that will be

567
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,259
revealed in careful greed from military

568
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:17,120
witnesses who were there who have told

569
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:18,769
us that these things happened and they

570
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:22,190
bear no correlation whatsoever so many

571
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:24,220
of the things that Colonel Holt has said

572
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,350
well so do you think that there was a

573
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:33,440
lot more that happened I mean was was

574
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,529
every scenario was every single person

575
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:39,440
to briefed that had deciding and he

576
00:26:43,389 --> 00:26:41,090
claims he was not is that is that what

577
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:43,399
the situation is he'll he always told me

578
00:26:47,619 --> 00:26:45,110
that he and he said it on many TV

579
00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:47,629
documentaries that he didn't put in the

580
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:49,909
whole memo that he never heard back from

581
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:50,850
them

582
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:52,529
and that he was basically never

583
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:55,830
debriefed efficiently or anything like

584
00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:59,100
that personally I always found that very

585
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,730
difficult to believe because of his rank

586
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,380
but subsequently with everything that

587
00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:07,440
I've learnt of him over the many years

588
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:10,580
since I began to get to know him

589
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:13,769
sadly I'm distrustful of him which is a

590
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:16,169
quite big thing to say because we got on

591
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:21,240
famously but you know in the end he has

592
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,250
said too many things and other people

593
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:25,320
have noticed although researchers have

594
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:27,990
noticed that he would stir things up

595
00:27:33,139 --> 00:27:30,659
from time to time but I've been spoken

596
00:27:35,899 --> 00:27:33,149
to many witnesses who were still yet to

597
00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:35,909
go forward publicly they kind of said

598
00:27:39,619 --> 00:27:37,500
they don't like the way that the

599
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:39,629
Rendlesham case is portrayed ie

600
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:43,679
effectively the John Jim and Channel

601
00:27:58,940 --> 00:27:46,919
whole show and yet if you think what I

602
00:28:02,600 --> 00:27:58,950
was going to say about and milk-bones by

603
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:02,610
chance my wife made a cup of tea in solo

604
00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:11,970
murder so there's not mad power but yeah

605
00:28:17,389 --> 00:28:15,059
is a conundrum for you think of any

606
00:28:19,639 --> 00:28:17,399
world-class case that's been

607
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:19,649
investigated by UFO researchers around

608
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:23,370
the world and very rare will you find

609
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:25,529
that three of the principal witnesses

610
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:30,230
have become the principal investigators

611
00:28:37,460 --> 00:28:34,769
that is not particularly healthy for an

612
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:37,470
independent investigation because they

613
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:41,190
have I suspect an agenda each of them in

614
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:43,559
their own different ways it's not a good

615
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,169
healthy investigation policy to other

616
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:49,080
direct witness it's not like yeah I saw

617
00:28:53,659 --> 00:28:51,960
the murderer plunge the knife in and I'm

618
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,669
going to become the chief investigator

619
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,980
it doesn't work like that

620
00:28:59,960 --> 00:28:57,679
you research his commanding

621
00:29:02,990 --> 00:28:59,970
investigators come in and they do the

622
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:03,000
research and uncover whatever it finds

623
00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:04,010
but

624
00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:05,750
fortunately with the Rendlesham forest

625
00:29:11,710 --> 00:29:08,750
case and especially in the United States

626
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:11,720
where it's pretty much a closed shop in

627
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:14,810
my opinion from this overseas part of

628
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:18,310
the world the case has very much been

629
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:21,710
frustrated I think by a narrative of

630
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,710
Colonel Holt in particular saying to TV

631
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:27,200
producers I don't want him on that show

632
00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:30,290
I don't want him on that show it

633
00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:32,900
shouldn't really be like that it should

634
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:35,150
be independent investigations by TV

635
00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:37,460
companies interviewing in principle

636
00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:42,800
witnesses not being led by by seniority

637
00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:45,950
of an experienced officer I suspect that

638
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,160
is because he was a colonel and people

639
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:51,200
door high questioning the colonel the

640
00:29:56,110 --> 00:29:53,930
colonel is never questioned about the

641
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,120
many different statements that he said

642
00:30:01,330 --> 00:29:59,120
over the years the the many different

643
00:30:03,820 --> 00:30:01,340
statements he said about the days on the

644
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:03,830
memorandum the dates on the memorandum

645
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:09,230
he says they're now a mistake but are

646
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:11,630
you telling me that two weeks after an

647
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:15,170
event that was saw or inspiring that it

648
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:17,450
happened on several nights that you

649
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,790
would get the dates wrong well that's

650
00:30:23,170 --> 00:30:21,440
effectively what Colonel Holt was done

651
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:23,180
because he said it was the 27th in the

652
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:26,690
memo and then two nights later then it

653
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:29,780
was his at night as it were well he has

654
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:31,970
subsequently said no it's the 25th into

655
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:34,220
the 26th and it's all there because of

656
00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:36,710
the police record but I just find it as

657
00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:45,160
inconceivable the senior officer could

658
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:47,630
make such a glaring error with the

659
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:49,820
deaths and he is doing that and repeated

660
00:30:55,030 --> 00:30:52,490
it many years later in several DV TV

661
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:55,040
documentaries and got the wrong day so

662
00:31:01,030 --> 00:30:57,050
all the right dates depended on what you

663
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:01,040
believe well all right you know I I

664
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:05,330
actually get along well myself with with

665
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:09,170
halt and you know I I was sorry that

666
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:10,700
that you know the whole situation

667
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:13,310
happened when it happened but let me ask

668
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:17,270
you about this so this and we got to go

669
00:31:19,630 --> 00:31:17,840
to break

670
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:19,640
ten minutes okay a good amount of time

671
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:22,730
but the case of Rendlesham forest I've

672
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,070
said this a number of times on the show

673
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:26,720
over the last eight or nine years

674
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:30,470
however long I've been and it's very

675
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:33,710
convoluted there's so many different

676
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:36,799
twists and turns and and then there's

677
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:42,799
Larry Warren and and you actually were

678
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:46,159
you thinking that Larry he's been

679
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:47,990
discredited but from what I understand

680
00:31:53,769 --> 00:31:50,090
you don't believe he's been discredited

681
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:53,779
by who's he being discredited by by some

682
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:56,270
trolls in the UK lead an active campaign

683
00:32:01,840 --> 00:31:59,480
no well I think about Peter Robinson's

684
00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:01,850
work directly with him for many years he

685
00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:03,740
mails from Peter Robbins after his

686
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:06,020
secession saying that LaLaurie was there

687
00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:09,740
in the forest I've got emails I've got

688
00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:12,260
Facebook messages saying he was there

689
00:32:18,639 --> 00:32:15,980
but he I believe was pressured and I

690
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:18,649
think that when the trolls went to Peter

691
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:20,860
Robbins and said oh we've got this

692
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:23,710
massive evidence against Larry Warren

693
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:26,809
you have to disassociate yourself I

694
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,690
think he jumped ship without actually

695
00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:31,279
study in their evidence and their

696
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:33,620
evidence is a lot but it's a lot of

697
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:37,730
nothing and as an investigator I think I

698
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:40,100
can pick between what is truth and

699
00:32:44,889 --> 00:32:42,529
fiction and what is accurately reported

700
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:44,899
and not over the years and believe me

701
00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:48,200
the evidence Falls very firmly on Larry

702
00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:51,350
Warren and again as just before

703
00:32:57,549 --> 00:32:54,500
Christmas it came out from John burrows

704
00:33:00,570 --> 00:32:57,559
that sergeant Adrian was tenza who was

705
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:00,580
never gone public in terms of on camera

706
00:33:08,649 --> 00:33:05,390
were told John that he was about to go

707
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:08,659
do a fur piece for Capel green well I

708
00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:11,510
can reveal that I've done two interviews

709
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:15,740
with Ed reboost Inza and he reveals a

710
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:19,730
lot and he is nothing like what people

711
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,799
are thinking and he is very good for

712
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:27,440
careful Green that's all I can say well

713
00:33:31,690 --> 00:33:28,760
you know I don't I don't want to make

714
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:31,700
this show about bashing people

715
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,560
especially when they can't when they

716
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:35,360
can't defend themselves but I will I

717
00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:35,840
will

718
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:41,180
lot of other things that Larry Warren

719
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:44,450
has done that is just you know not true

720
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:47,210
you know celebrities guitars and you

721
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:49,460
know all these photoshopped images and

722
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:52,400
things like that so I personally let me

723
00:34:00,550 --> 00:33:55,270
just let me just finish here let me I

724
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:00,560
personally have when someone has one

725
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:02,330
part of their personality that is

726
00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:05,870
untruthful I have a hard time believing

727
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:07,400
the rest of it that's just my own

728
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:09,650
personal you know if there are not and

729
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:11,600
that's fine that's fine but let me tell

730
00:34:19,870 --> 00:34:16,820
you this has Larry Warren ever being

731
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:19,880
arrested interviewed questioned by the

732
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:23,950
police over selling false memorabilia

733
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:26,450
merchandising music memorabilia and the

734
00:34:33,370 --> 00:34:31,130
answer is no so where is the evidence

735
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:33,380
that that took place and the answer is

736
00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:36,350
there is no evidence there's a lot of

737
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:38,900
people saying it but that is not

738
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:41,690
evidence evidence comes in the form of

739
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:44,840
arrest charge go into cop if somebody is

740
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:48,290
called a fraud I get the impression that

741
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:51,590
you if somebody said that you Martin

742
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:53,600
Willis is a fraud I would think oh that

743
00:35:00,040 --> 00:34:57,200
guy's got a conviction for fraud of some

744
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:00,050
kind and yet I'm sure you haven't but

745
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,470
people in social media land can say

746
00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:05,420
whatever they want and unfortunately the

747
00:35:10,450 --> 00:35:08,060
social media laws are so weak they can

748
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:10,460
get away with it and as I said they this

749
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:12,650
is just part of the campaign and when

750
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:15,230
you look at the actual evidence he's

751
00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:16,910
never been arrested charged or anything

752
00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:19,030
and yet you on this show of just

753
00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:21,860
repeated something that is actually

754
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:26,780
without foundation because you have no

755
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:29,510
charge to arrest you have no arrest

756
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:31,820
interview police station there's no

757
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:35,690
evidence it's stories but it's come

758
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,450
deliberately because they want to

759
00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:40,670
discredit this guy because what is

760
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:43,940
Rendlesham about oh it's not about John

761
00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:45,210
and Jim's

762
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:47,550
did crust on the first name it's not

763
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:53,250
really about the other nights which are

764
00:35:58,460 --> 00:35:56,520
impressive on themselves but if we link

765
00:36:02,240 --> 00:35:58,470
to nuclear weapons which we talked about

766
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:02,250
earlier do you think that if a certain

767
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,369
person corroborated Larry Lauren in a

768
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:08,160
field and said he was next to Larry

769
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:11,430
Warren in a field surrounded by ten to

770
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:13,500
twelve lemon and that he was being

771
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:16,410
filmed on motion picture city film do

772
00:36:23,540 --> 00:36:18,330
you not think that that would be pretty

773
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:23,550
compelling well I I well yes it is

774
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,290
compelling yes I agree with that but I

775
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:27,920
will tell you also that you know Peter

776
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:31,500
Robbins is a good friend of mine and I I

777
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:35,310
trust the fact that if he feels like

778
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,450
he's personally been affected then and

779
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:41,460
he actually withdrew the book from the

780
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:42,930
market because of it I mean he feels

781
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:46,619
that strongly about it that's not true

782
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:47,160
either

783
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,250
they both withdrew the book Peter said

784
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,040
he wanted it withdrawing the cosimo

785
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:55,380
books then said okay we're gonna have an

786
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:57,660
internal investigation he's temporarily

787
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:00,660
pulled in that time Larry once said I

788
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:03,270
want the book pull into they then said

789
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,490
yes the book is pulled there was no

790
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,800
result of any internal investigation and

791
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:09,680
there is some real questions about

792
00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:12,630
Cosimo's behavior in all of this but the

793
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,750
point is it was no result of any

794
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,060
investigation that said that Larry

795
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:19,920
Warren was at fault for anything

796
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:24,320
he was suggested they both withdrew it

797
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:29,280
okay well you know you for me to argue

798
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:33,450
with a detective I I feel like I'm gonna

799
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:35,010
get arrested if I say something wrong

800
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:40,770
but like everyone is but the problem is

801
00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:43,859
is I used to be friends with Peter

802
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:48,080
Robbins prior to this reinvestigation

803
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:51,780
but when Peter disassociated himself

804
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:55,200
I had email exchanges with him and he

805
00:37:58,420 --> 00:37:57,210
admitted that Larry was in the forest

806
00:38:00,670 --> 00:37:58,430
he's never really

807
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:00,680
doubted that he'd been I think

808
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:03,290
effectively pressured by these trolls

809
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,970
who would let a campaign to discredited

810
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:06,800
and he thought I'll jump ship

811
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:08,660
unfortunately he jumped too early in my

812
00:38:16,660 --> 00:38:11,990
opinion but the point is since that time

813
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:16,670
I have a lot of screen grabs involving

814
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:19,970
Peter dealing with some very nasty

815
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:23,180
online trolls and he's also got involved

816
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,410
in personal abuse towards myself and

817
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:28,880
sadly are we are no longer friends

818
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,569
because of that I liked Peter but what

819
00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:34,640
do you do when somebody is saying things

820
00:38:41,579 --> 00:38:38,470
that are actually untruthful about me

821
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:41,589
well what what is that what would you

822
00:38:46,359 --> 00:38:43,700
what would you guess

823
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:46,369
the reason that this whole if this is

824
00:38:50,859 --> 00:38:48,440
like a disinformation or whatever it is

825
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:50,869
or you're calling these trolls why would

826
00:38:56,829 --> 00:38:53,569
these the trolls want to attack and

827
00:38:59,230 --> 00:38:56,839
destroy Larry's credibility to begin

828
00:39:01,780 --> 00:38:59,240
with what what you know that's goal

829
00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:01,790
would they have not that's actually too

830
00:39:07,089 --> 00:39:04,660
simplistic you've got to understand

831
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:07,099
Colonel Holt in all of this general Holt

832
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:08,950
the trolls

833
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:12,470
report directly back to Colonel Hawk the

834
00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:15,410
lead troll was the person who supplied

835
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:17,150
the information for the whole

836
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:19,700
perspective I have that in writing from

837
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:23,000
both Holt and from the lead troll so

838
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:25,730
that is corroborated both ways she

839
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,030
supplied the information for the whole

840
00:39:33,940 --> 00:39:32,240
perspective so all of it was based on a

841
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:33,950
crop now you've got to understand

842
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:36,710
Colonel Holt as always had a thing

843
00:39:43,299 --> 00:39:39,940
against Larry Warren right from the off

844
00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:43,309
probably because that's because of

845
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:47,660
Larry's involvement who in public and

846
00:39:56,289 --> 00:39:50,270
his involvement in speaking to Larry

847
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:56,299
Fawcett in early 83 that led to another

848
00:40:02,859 --> 00:39:58,609
request for a Freedom of Information Act

849
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:02,869
that went in my cause that effectively

850
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:04,010
got the men around

851
00:40:09,010 --> 00:40:06,410
now the memo eat Larry Warren know there

852
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,020
was a memo but effectively he played a

853
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:11,359
part in getting a memo out that he did

854
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:12,500
not know he

855
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:14,990
but that came out after numerous denials

856
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:18,050
by various researchers brought in the UK

857
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:21,410
in the US and their Duma and and the

858
00:40:25,660 --> 00:40:23,690
denied denied and then suddenly it comes

859
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:25,670
out because Larry Warren had told Larry

860
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:28,670
Fawcett I'm prepared to give my name on

861
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:31,130
the record so when they went back that

862
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:33,290
changed the opinion and they suddenly

863
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:35,360
produced the whole memo which is a very

864
00:40:42,610 --> 00:40:39,290
famous document for obvious reasons but

865
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:42,620
when that happened Colonel Holt tried

866
00:40:47,290 --> 00:40:44,510
he's down this knee told minutes

867
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:47,300
personally he told me he did not want

868
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:49,970
the memorandum to come out because if it

869
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:51,980
came out his life would never be the

870
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,290
same well guess what it came out and his

871
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:56,960
life was never the same and you tell him

872
00:41:00,640 --> 00:40:58,760
me that as a colonel in the Air Force

873
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:00,650
who may have looked but one time to be

874
00:41:05,020 --> 00:41:02,570
coming in general that this was good for

875
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:05,030
him I suspect not so I think he probably

876
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:08,180
had something of a grudge against Larry

877
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:10,250
right from the office but right from the

878
00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:14,870
off as soon as Colonel Holt retired he

879
00:41:20,890 --> 00:41:17,630
was saying Larry Warren was kicked out

880
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:20,900
he wasn't kicked out he got a honorable

881
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:23,180
discharge he was saying he was busted

882
00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:23,810
for drugs

883
00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:29,360
dummies damnedest to destroy the

884
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:31,340
credibility of marijuana and this has

885
00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:34,070
gone on and don't forget Larry Warner

886
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:35,780
was in the public eye for the first

887
00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:39,430
eight to nine years alone in the media

888
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:42,740
from really 83 onwards initially as out

889
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:44,750
was and then in his own name

890
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:47,120
after the story brought worldwide in

891
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:50,360
October of 83 initially he was out west

892
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:52,700
and then as time went on within a couple

893
00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:54,680
of months he is coming out as Larry

894
00:42:01,300 --> 00:41:57,980
Warren now from that point on he is the

895
00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:01,310
only person forgiving his right men

896
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:04,040
going on camera for the first eight or

897
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:08,150
nine years that all changes as soon as

898
00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:13,160
Colonel Holt stops and retires when John

899
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:15,470
Burroughs retires and Jim Penniston

900
00:42:22,270 --> 00:42:19,550
retires amazingly as soon as they retire

901
00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:22,280
they really effectively all gang up on

902
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:24,580
Larry Warren say now he's affecting the

903
00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:26,920
she's bringing discredit and they join

904
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:30,070
effectively with whole and doing down as

905
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:32,170
it were they don't want him on TV

906
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:34,570
programs with them because his account

907
00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:36,760
is out there and yet what I come back to

908
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:38,980
you and say what's this all about would

909
00:42:43,610 --> 00:42:40,330
I put this to you

910
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:43,620
if the careful greens scenario I a

911
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:47,740
landed crash in a field surrounded by

912
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:51,480
security police there are entities seen

913
00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:55,390
there is senior officers who arrived and

914
00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:58,120
have a silent faceoff that he's being

915
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:01,540
filmed on cine camera motion picture

916
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:03,880
footage not still cameras as well as

917
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:05,890
still cameras that are also taking

918
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:09,280
photographs if that occur do you think

919
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:13,290
the US Air Force do you think the US

920
00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:16,390
Department of Defense do you think the

921
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:18,220
US government do you think that the

922
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:20,710
British government do you think the

923
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:22,870
British Ministry of Defence would want

924
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:27,790
that to come out as fat no they don't

925
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:29,650
want that to come out at fact so what

926
00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:31,930
are they got to do they have to destroy

927
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:34,360
anyone who was connected to that what

928
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,880
they forgot is Adrian bust innocent

929
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:40,960
alright well we're going to have to go

930
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,820
to break now we're a little late for

931
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:44,800
break so when we come back we're gonna

932
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:47,050
have Li Spiegel on the line and we're

933
00:43:52,110 --> 00:43:49,870
also you know we'll get I want to get

934
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:52,120
back into the Rendlesham forest topic

935
00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:53,980
only because I want to ask you what you

936
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:55,780
think really happened because there's

937
00:44:00,600 --> 00:43:57,850
nine million likes to this and I'd like

938
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:00,610
to figure out what your your opinion is

939
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:03,430
so hang in everyone we'll be right back

940
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:06,750
right after these messages

941
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:10,200
alrighty welcome back everyone we have

942
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:14,560
my friend I can say that Riley Lee

943
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:18,070
Spiegel on the line Lee how are you I'm

944
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:20,050
fine yes during the commercial we

945
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:21,670
actually did confirm that we were

946
00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:24,580
friends that's good thank God I was

947
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,150
gonna hang up on you yeah yeah

948
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:30,640
so ally always fun to talk to you and I

949
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:32,710
really enjoy your show as a reality it's

950
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:36,040
on Thursdays on KCRA radio and it's on

951
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:38,020
at 8 to 10 p.m.

952
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:40,900
Eastern Standard Time I caught I catch

953
00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:42,940
as many as I can I last one I caught was

954
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:46,840
with Mark Dantonio always that was a lot

955
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:49,570
of fun but and how that shows going

956
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:51,130
pretty well yeah I mean you have a lot

957
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:53,650
of listeners I know that and you're

958
00:44:59,010 --> 00:44:55,660
having a good time being back on the air

959
00:45:01,260 --> 00:44:59,020
right I I am and I love your show as

960
00:45:03,090 --> 00:45:01,270
well I do I do

961
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:03,100
it's it's nice to be able to do these

962
00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:06,250
little crossover things but yes thank

963
00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:08,440
you for your supportive words and I I

964
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:10,120
send them right back to you you know

965
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:13,600
awesome well Lee I understand you have

966
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:16,810
some type of announcement to make and I

967
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:19,810
would like for you I'm honored that

968
00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:21,940
you're actually gonna make it on my show

969
00:45:28,050 --> 00:45:25,240
instead of instead of waiting until your

970
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:28,060
show on Thursday night and you're gonna

971
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:31,630
do both but if you could let's hear it

972
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:33,910
what's going on are you talking about

973
00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:35,410
the fact that I just recently got

974
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:44,660
well as you and many of your listeners

975
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:48,940
probably know I have been working on a

976
00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:53,040
new upcoming UFO documentary with

977
00:46:02,040 --> 00:45:57,100
director James Fox and the name of the

978
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:02,050
program is the phenomenon and it is now

979
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:04,810
scheduled kind of rescheduled because

980
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:06,820
it's been taking a long time to put this

981
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,550
together it's now scheduled to come out

982
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:12,960
first as a theatrical release this fall

983
00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:15,940
probably in September but what I'm

984
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:18,460
announcing on your show now first and

985
00:46:25,290 --> 00:46:20,230
I'll do it again on Thursday on my show

986
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:25,300
is Thursday I'm going to give out an

987
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:29,110
actual YouTube address where people can

988
00:46:38,490 --> 00:46:33,520
go to see the very first an official the

989
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,500
phenomenon trailer that so it's the

990
00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:41,280
Train yeah we're talking about trailer

991
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:43,990
all right to the half minutes long it's

992
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:46,330
like preview of coming attractions you

993
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:49,240
know and I've seen it like three times

994
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,850
now and it's like razzle

995
00:46:59,580 --> 00:46:54,160
dazzl I think people are gonna go wow

996
00:47:02,850 --> 00:46:59,590
they're gonna show what yeah it's very

997
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:02,860
cool I'm very happy with it and people

998
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:04,330
will be able to finally see the trailer

999
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:06,910
on Thursday well excellent we can't wait

1000
00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:10,210
I know I can't wait and because I love

1001
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:13,780
James Fox his the work he does is just

1002
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:16,270
amazing yeah out of the blue I know what

1003
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:18,730
I saw those are two of my very favorites

1004
00:47:26,580 --> 00:47:25,030
now someone has just emailed me this I

1005
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:26,590
think it was this morning or yesterday

1006
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:28,900
and said hey whatever happened to the

1007
00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:30,460
metamaterial said that is that going to

1008
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:32,980
be addressed in this actually in this in

1009
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:37,710
this film oh yes oh yes yes yes indeed

1010
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:42,460
in fact we're going to take you and the

1011
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:45,730
the audience into pretty much a top

1012
00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:48,450
secret laboratory in Silicon Valley

1013
00:47:55,260 --> 00:47:52,660
where some very serious scientific

1014
00:47:58,680 --> 00:47:55,270
research is ongoing now about

1015
00:48:02,550 --> 00:47:58,690
metamaterials James and I were invited

1016
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:02,560
to that laboratory last October and what

1017
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:03,790
we saw was amazing

1018
00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:06,970
so yes it's gonna be there Wow well

1019
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:10,060
that's good and I know the can you talk

1020
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:12,460
about the opening of the film or is that

1021
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:15,970
we just have to wait for the trailer you

1022
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:18,550
know what I can I can tell you that what

1023
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:21,490
the opening is going to be like is we're

1024
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,330
going to focus on kind of a very famous

1025
00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:26,800
close encounter with the UFO that took

1026
00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:32,230
place in the 1950s during a flight in

1027
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:35,020
the south the commander of this this

1028
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:39,250
bomber this Air Force bomber was bill

1029
00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:42,340
Coleman who went on to become a

1030
00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:44,560
lieutenant colonel bill Coleman of the

1031
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:47,320
Air Force became the official public

1032
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:49,000
spokesperson for Project Blue Book

1033
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,430
during the days of Project Blue Book but

1034
00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:54,400
back in the 1950s he was a commander of

1035
00:49:00,810 --> 00:48:56,920
this bomber and they had they played a

1036
00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:00,820
game of tag with with what essentially

1037
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:03,940
was as he even describes it it was

1038
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:05,420
basically a

1039
00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:09,590
saucer and through wonderful wonderful

1040
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:12,590
means and photographic ways we're going

1041
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:15,230
to show this encounter and it will

1042
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,250
you'll go whoa look at that it's really

1043
00:49:24,970 --> 00:49:21,680
something to see it sets the whole tone

1044
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:24,980
for the whole documentary yeah well we

1045
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:27,770
can't wait so everyone you can catch Lee

1046
00:49:34,810 --> 00:49:31,580
show over at KCRA radio and that's every

1047
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:34,820
Thursday evening at 8:00 to 10:00 p.m.

1048
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:37,730
Eastern Standard Time Lee great on you

1049
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,170
as always and and we'll be talking soon

1050
00:49:44,770 --> 00:49:44,000
Thank You Martin good to be on all right

1051
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:44,780
thank you very much

1052
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:48,110
all right take care okay all right so

1053
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:51,110
here we are we're back we're back and

1054
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,050
you know we sort of III feel Gary that

1055
00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:56,720
we have just a little bit of a oh I want

1056
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:58,280
to say a little bit of a negative tone

1057
00:50:04,780 --> 00:50:02,240
going in this show and it's a and it's

1058
00:50:07,630 --> 00:50:04,790
because of you know the the as I

1059
00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:07,640
mentioned early the convoluted story of

1060
00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:09,860
Rendlesham forest and you know we're

1061
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:12,140
going to get into other topics but for

1062
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:17,570
now can we the best way you can can you

1063
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:20,510
describe what you think really happen

1064
00:50:25,870 --> 00:50:23,210
there because of all the stories don't

1065
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:25,880
really line up and and it doesn't have

1066
00:50:31,420 --> 00:50:28,430
to be a big long drawn-out thing just

1067
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:31,430
kind of you know in a nutshell type of

1068
00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:35,090
thing if possible the most difficult

1069
00:50:41,860 --> 00:50:37,460
case to explain in a nutshell but I'll

1070
00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:41,870
try there is without a shadow of a doubt

1071
00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:44,900
this is UFO related but there were a

1072
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:47,420
number of precursor cases that would be

1073
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:50,090
looked at in careful Green in the early

1074
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:52,610
part and throughout 1980 leading up to

1075
00:50:56,290 --> 00:50:54,830
late December that sets the tone these

1076
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:56,300
were all us for experiences the world

1077
00:51:01,480 --> 00:50:58,570
lighthouses our formation rub it teams

1078
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,490
they there were UFO experiences that all

1079
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:03,440
culminated in the late December

1080
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,720
consecutive nights there's been reeled a

1081
00:51:09,970 --> 00:51:08,240
bit about how many nights that will be

1082
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:09,980
covered there are at least three

1083
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:13,270
probably four all right there

1084
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,580
is multiple evidence of multiple

1085
00:51:23,610 --> 00:51:20,800
different types of objects being seen on

1086
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:23,620
multiple consecutive nights both in the

1087
00:51:29,370 --> 00:51:26,530
forest and on the base this has been

1088
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:29,380
played down by the Air Force but there

1089
00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:31,870
were several incidents on the basis of

1090
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:35,020
Woodbridge and Bentwaters there are some

1091
00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:37,030
spectacular things that have yet to

1092
00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:39,580
emerge because a lot of people have been

1093
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:42,580
reluctant to ever come forward but they

1094
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:44,050
are now beginning to come forward and

1095
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:46,030
suddenly I can't reveal those now but

1096
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:48,690
they're going to come out and they're

1097
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:52,120
just to put it as a rough figure there

1098
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:54,670
are about 15 incidents or over several

1099
00:52:00,240 --> 00:51:57,490
days different incidents different

1100
00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:00,250
objects different places now this is not

1101
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:01,660
probably what you were thinking maybe

1102
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:04,060
two or three incidents no this is a lot

1103
00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:07,450
more this is a very ufo-related

1104
00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:09,580
why they're there I think it was to do

1105
00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:11,590
with nuclear weapons because at a time

1106
00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:13,960
of world crisis there were more nuclear

1107
00:52:16,890 --> 00:52:14,950
weapons there than there should have

1108
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:16,900
been that probably broke all the

1109
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:18,520
armament agreements between the US and

1110
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:20,530
Britain hence why nobody will ever come

1111
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:22,510
and firm that in authority because if he

1112
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:24,220
did it would be straight on the front

1113
00:52:28,830 --> 00:52:26,620
page of every single news that's not

1114
00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:28,840
going to happen but indirectly we now

1115
00:52:33,450 --> 00:52:31,240
talk in nuclear weapons multiple people

1116
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:33,460
now go on camera to say that regarding

1117
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:36,090
tactical nuclear weapons this is

1118
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:39,550
probably I think a nuclear inspection by

1119
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:42,850
ET in my opinion at a time world crisis

1120
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:46,750
I think that base which was the probably

1121
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:48,520
the top strike this in the country

1122
00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:52,020
should there be a saw the inversion that

1123
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,220
in a sense was something that et found

1124
00:53:02,010 --> 00:52:58,960
was there that should have been there I

1125
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:02,020
mean the the weapon the beam going down

1126
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:03,880
into the weapon storage area described a

1127
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:06,310
grid light search pattern over the hot

1128
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:09,130
room now that shows intelligence why

1129
00:53:13,050 --> 00:53:10,750
they're doing that it's almost like this

1130
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:13,060
scanning the weapons Holt told me

1131
00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:15,580
personally that beams had been shot down

1132
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:17,740
into the nuclear weapon storage area I

1133
00:53:23,470 --> 00:53:20,560
have that on video he told me on many

1134
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:23,480
occasions verbally the

1135
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:28,550
this is a huge swath of material yet to

1136
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:31,250
come out and when it does it will

1137
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:33,890
probably fundamentally change the way we

1138
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:37,310
look at the rentals from case as it has

1139
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:39,890
been portrayed for the last thirty years

1140
00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:42,320
anyway Wow

1141
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:43,940
well I'll be definitely interested in

1142
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:45,770
that and when do you expect that to

1143
00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:49,010
happen to will help in summer we've done

1144
00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:50,660
additional filming because other people

1145
00:53:54,310 --> 00:53:53,000
came forward unexpectedly so we've done

1146
00:53:55,810 --> 00:53:54,320
an additional interviews it's in

1147
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:55,820
post-production we're probably looking

1148
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,580
at summer 2020 but to put this in

1149
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:00,800
perspective by then it will be nearly

1150
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:03,350
three years i think james fox's

1151
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:05,570
phenomenas may be taking six years I

1152
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:05,930
heard

1153
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:08,420
so yes it's not an easy thing and I

1154
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:11,210
think in the end what should be the real

1155
00:54:17,590 --> 00:54:14,990
criteria is if it's important it takes

1156
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:17,600
as long as it takes and where will

1157
00:54:22,090 --> 00:54:19,210
people be able to actually see this

1158
00:54:26,170 --> 00:54:22,100
we're hoping to have it released

1159
00:54:29,290 --> 00:54:26,180
theatrically in the UK in selected

1160
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:29,300
cinemas where it goes from there we

1161
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:31,550
don't know we don't know that's not my

1162
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:34,850
area of expertise but shall I say that

1163
00:54:40,180 --> 00:54:37,490
production companies and distribution

1164
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,190
companies are interested in in pursuing

1165
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,280
this and we intend to take this to film

1166
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:45,200
festivals because it's all been done in

1167
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:47,330
for care both in the ground and on the

1168
00:54:51,790 --> 00:54:49,130
air it's got a proper sound track

1169
00:54:55,330 --> 00:54:51,800
multiple composers everything is

1170
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,340
designed for the cinema sound the view

1171
00:55:00,370 --> 00:54:58,160
of it and we'll show Rendlesham like

1172
00:55:02,110 --> 00:55:00,380
it's never been shown before so who

1173
00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:02,120
knows what it will be received but if

1174
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:04,460
there's any justice given the amount of

1175
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:07,070
new information that will come out in it

1176
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:10,130
it should do well well well that's great

1177
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,240
now what has gone on in that area since

1178
00:55:20,350 --> 00:55:16,160
that time I've heard there's still

1179
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:20,360
things going on oh well I can attest to

1180
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:22,670
the fact that during the last two and a

1181
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:25,700
half years of filming to date we have

1182
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:28,550
had some experiences in terms of the

1183
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:30,290
film crew the capable green film crew

1184
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:33,710
we've also been alerted through general

1185
00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:36,770
inquiries that will be revealed in the

1186
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:37,340
film

1187
00:55:40,810 --> 00:55:38,780
to some sightings that have happened

1188
00:55:43,870 --> 00:55:40,820
nothing to do a careful greenbook then

1189
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,880
people have approached us there are some

1190
00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:45,920
remarkable things still going on in the

1191
00:55:51,490 --> 00:55:49,700
forest and I would honestly say if

1192
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:51,500
somebody said is there a presence of

1193
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:53,990
some kind in the forest then I would

1194
00:56:00,099 --> 00:55:57,470
have to say probably yes which is a big

1195
00:56:02,050 --> 00:56:00,109
thing to say given my background but I

1196
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:02,060
can attest to see in batteries failing

1197
00:56:06,070 --> 00:56:04,070
that have been you know camera batteries

1198
00:56:07,570 --> 00:56:06,080
that were fully charged up you go into a

1199
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:07,580
certain area and then they suddenly

1200
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:10,130
drain phone's draining things like that

1201
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,530
so I would say there is some kind of

1202
00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:15,200
effect still wet but all will be

1203
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:19,820
revealed in the film well not all

1204
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:21,480
revealed we won't see any aliens right

1205
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:25,359
[Laughter]

1206
00:56:31,830 --> 00:56:28,970
Yeah right you know that that the

1207
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:31,840
battery batteries draining and all that

1208
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:35,240
typically is up here I've heard that a

1209
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:38,630
number of times now now I just wondered

1210
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:41,090
though I always wondered this and you

1211
00:56:45,609 --> 00:56:43,490
know just to get your insight on it why

1212
00:56:48,609 --> 00:56:45,619
do you suppose there are certain areas

1213
00:56:51,010 --> 00:56:48,619
that things happen and you know okay we

1214
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:51,020
can say this had to do with the nuclear

1215
00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:53,450
weapons of course but but a lot of

1216
00:56:58,570 --> 00:56:55,460
things have happened prior to nuclear

1217
00:57:01,420 --> 00:56:58,580
weapons even existing and then still

1218
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:01,430
ongoing those weapons along gone why do

1219
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:03,650
you suppose there's hot spots like this

1220
00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:07,010
I don't think anybody really knows it's

1221
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,300
certainly not in the public didn't end

1222
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:10,160
well whether the secret world of

1223
00:57:15,070 --> 00:57:12,770
intelligence has uncovered things who

1224
00:57:16,570 --> 00:57:15,080
knows I have absolutely no doubt that

1225
00:57:19,329 --> 00:57:16,580
special access programs have been

1226
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,339
studying this unofficially shall we say

1227
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:21,920
for many decades and they know a lot

1228
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:23,630
more than us I would hazard a guess that

1229
00:57:29,170 --> 00:57:26,690
we only know 10 percent if we look in

1230
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:29,180
the public demand so 90 percent of it

1231
00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:30,650
lies in the secret world of intelligence

1232
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:33,800
agencies and governments what they know

1233
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:37,250
who knows but we all kind of those of us

1234
00:57:42,790 --> 00:57:40,700
who actively seek disclosure hope that

1235
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:42,800
one day all will be revealed and I think

1236
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:44,690
that will be quite amazed indeed just

1237
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:48,560
what is not right so let's just shift

1238
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:50,910
gears a little bit here and

1239
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:54,180
what about when you started this

1240
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:57,240
organization for police officers to

1241
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:00,300
report UFOs how did that all come about

1242
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:03,690
and and let's talk about some of those

1243
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:08,610
cases yeah fine and yeah after leaving

1244
00:58:12,260 --> 00:58:11,160
the Air Force I immediately in 89 I

1245
00:58:16,550 --> 00:58:12,270
immediately joined the British Transport

1246
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:16,560
Police I initially everybody has to

1247
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:19,800
start in the uniform I did about two and

1248
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:21,660
a half to three years in uniform and

1249
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,310
then I always wanted to become a

1250
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,520
detective and I then very quickly became

1251
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:29,760
a detective and I was detective for the

1252
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:33,120
last 19 years of my service I was home

1253
00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:36,510
off his trend I then did specializations

1254
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,150
in interviewing that was my particular

1255
00:58:44,330 --> 00:58:41,940
bag it was something that I was always

1256
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:44,340
fascinated by a light-being at the sharp

1257
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:44,880
end

1258
00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:47,370
I liked interviewing suspects in

1259
00:58:52,610 --> 00:58:49,830
particular and I also enjoyed taking

1260
00:58:55,460 --> 00:58:52,620
statements the interaction with people

1261
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:55,470
is good but what I specialized came to

1262
00:59:01,460 --> 00:58:58,890
specialise in was deemed at an advanced

1263
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:01,470
level suitable for murder manslaughter

1264
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,070
rid that's the what was called the tier

1265
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,520
3 qualification in in UK police in terms

1266
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,000
I did some training but politics comes

1267
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:13,920
into this because I was a detective

1268
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:16,770
Constable not a detective Sergeant our

1269
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:20,310
first area would not allow a detective

1270
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:23,220
Constable to become the the tier 4

1271
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:26,130
supervisor it was political so it had to

1272
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:28,020
be a detective sergeant even though he

1273
00:59:31,310 --> 00:59:29,730
was less qualified than me in

1274
00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:31,320
interviewing but that's just the way

1275
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:33,000
things go but in terms of advanced

1276
00:59:38,570 --> 00:59:34,770
interview and I went as far as you can

1277
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:38,580
go tier four was a as they was a an area

1278
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:40,260
trainer and tier 5 was a national

1279
00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:42,690
adviser so those people didn't get

1280
00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:44,430
involved in the day-to-day interviews I

1281
00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:46,950
wanted to be at sharpen initially when I

1282
00:59:51,740 --> 00:59:49,320
joined the police I did think I would

1283
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:51,750
want to go up the chair as it were go

1284
00:59:57,590 --> 00:59:53,610
through the ranks but I quickly found

1285
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:57,600
that I liked interviewing and

1286
01:00:02,300 --> 00:59:59,370
and I think this is probably the same of

1287
01:00:04,310 --> 01:00:02,310
us police forces as well that as soon as

1288
01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:04,320
you got beyond the rank of sergeant or

1289
01:00:09,380 --> 01:00:06,420
even the rank of sergeant you were

1290
01:00:12,050 --> 01:00:09,390
effectively tied to a desk and you very

1291
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,060
rarely got out and I was one of those

1292
01:00:16,850 --> 01:00:13,440
people that liked to be out and about

1293
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,860
and so I never I've made a conscious

1294
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:19,200
decision just to stay as a detective

1295
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:20,640
Constable which would allow me to keep

1296
01:00:26,180 --> 01:00:23,010
intervene so as I say for the last 19

1297
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:26,190
years of my service I was an advanced

1298
01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:28,290
interviewer oh I was an interviewer and

1299
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:30,180
then as time went on I became an

1300
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:32,520
advanced interviewer for suspects and

1301
01:00:39,860 --> 01:00:35,970
witnesses so I in the end I had 24 years

1302
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:39,870
but during my service a few things that

1303
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:41,490
had happened and cutting a long story

1304
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:44,310
shocks I know time is of the essence and

1305
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:46,650
we've digressed a bit on Rendlesham is

1306
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:50,040
that I mean had my childhood site in I'd

1307
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:53,730
always had the interest I'd got

1308
01:01:01,580 --> 01:00:56,730
magazines where possible books read up

1309
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:01,590
on things and then a strange kind of

1310
01:01:05,810 --> 01:01:03,480
thing happened I had a very vivid dream

1311
01:01:07,580 --> 01:01:05,820
and I don't usually remember my dreams

1312
01:01:10,070 --> 01:01:07,590
by a very vivid dream and I've talked to

1313
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:10,080
Grant Cameron about this I had a very

1314
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:12,390
vivid dream of a of a hypothetical

1315
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:16,020
Hollywood film script story a scenario

1316
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:18,210
of what could cause disclosure as in us

1317
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:20,550
or disclosure and I'd never written a

1318
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:22,170
thing in my life and basically within

1319
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:23,910
six weeks I'd written a film script in a

1320
01:01:26,810 --> 01:01:25,530
very shabby fashion because I didn't

1321
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:26,820
know anything about formats and

1322
01:01:30,860 --> 01:01:28,500
everything but I'd never written

1323
01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:30,870
anything so to go from a premise and

1324
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:33,300
then develop the middle and get to an

1325
01:01:38,380 --> 01:01:36,120
end was quite a revelation so he kind of

1326
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:38,390
told me that I could write I then

1327
01:01:43,550 --> 01:01:41,250
decided I want people to read it so I

1328
01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:43,560
took it to a copy of it printed it off

1329
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:46,080
took it to my colleagues and one by one

1330
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:48,210
my colleagues in the police station

1331
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:50,370
where I was best read it and they all

1332
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:51,690
came back and said oh this is brilliant

1333
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:54,450
make great film or be a make a great

1334
01:01:57,290 --> 01:01:55,710
book and I said well I can't write a

1335
01:02:00,080 --> 01:01:57,300
book there's just too many words in a

1336
01:02:03,380 --> 01:02:00,090
book a screenplay as a fifth of that and

1337
01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:03,390
I'd much prefer the the dynamic of film

1338
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:05,340
because I've always been a film book but

1339
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:07,410
eventually I plucked up the courage to

1340
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:09,930
send a copy of the script

1341
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:12,210
somebody was very highly regarded in the

1342
01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:19,410
UK gram Birdsall who was the editor of

1343
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:22,349
the printed magazine UFO magazine he was

1344
01:02:28,099 --> 01:02:25,710
very famous in the 80s and 90s in

1345
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:28,109
particular in the 90s and he put on big

1346
01:02:33,769 --> 01:02:30,750
3d conferences in Leeds for many years

1347
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:33,779
21 years and then suddenly he died at

1348
01:02:39,019 --> 01:02:37,079
the age of 49 suddenly but in the last

1349
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:39,029
two years of his life I'd approached him

1350
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,809
and said I'd had this idea first of all

1351
01:02:46,849 --> 01:02:44,640
sent in the script he rang me up about

1352
01:02:48,170 --> 01:02:46,859
six weeks after receiving it and he said

1353
01:02:50,779 --> 01:02:48,180
he was brilliant I'll help you in any

1354
01:02:52,279 --> 01:02:50,789
way I can he then said well why don't

1355
01:02:54,980 --> 01:02:52,289
you come to one of my conferences as I

1356
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:54,990
guess I never been to a UFO conference

1357
01:02:59,660 --> 01:02:57,960
in my life he invited to me two leads to

1358
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:59,670
his big three-day conference where there

1359
01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:01,920
were people like John McClure and so I

1360
01:03:05,539 --> 01:03:03,270
saw these and I thought wow this is

1361
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:05,549
really interesting and the spin off from

1362
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:10,890
that was subconsciously I began to get

1363
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:13,380
frustrated at the way there were the

1364
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:15,510
media the mainstream media were

1365
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:17,730
portraying the subject it was still a

1366
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:20,700
very much dealt with with a nod and a

1367
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:23,130
wink and a bit of ridicule and yet I was

1368
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:25,140
always aware right from my earliest days

1369
01:03:30,049 --> 01:03:28,200
at 16 reading Kehoe's books about pilots

1370
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:30,059
chasing your flaws and I'm always

1371
01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:31,770
thinking well I'm gonna VIN it this is a

1372
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:33,990
very credible guy how can it be that

1373
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:36,150
this is just trivialized but obviously

1374
01:03:40,609 --> 01:03:38,490
it's as my knowledge grew and I found

1375
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:40,619
out about the Robertson panel that was

1376
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:43,500
there to debunk from 53 onwards anything

1377
01:03:48,609 --> 01:03:45,930
to do with the media then it became

1378
01:03:51,529 --> 01:03:48,619
obvious that the media were whether

1379
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,539
directly or indirectly complicit in

1380
01:03:56,420 --> 01:03:53,760
helping to do the government's dirty

1381
01:03:59,420 --> 01:03:56,430
work in in in kind of debunking the

1382
01:04:01,609 --> 01:03:59,430
subject so as a serving police officer I

1383
01:04:04,779 --> 01:04:01,619
began to think how can I get involved

1384
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:04,789
what can I do to change anything and

1385
01:04:10,339 --> 01:04:08,220
basically cutting long story short I had

1386
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:10,349
a second dream that said create a

1387
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:13,890
database for police officers and that

1388
01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:16,680
was very vivid not like a film script

1389
01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:19,470
but the idea was there so I went to gran

1390
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:22,230
birds'll with it and said look I've I

1391
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:22,750
decide

1392
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:25,840
therefore a police unofficial but I'm

1393
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,760
still a serving detective and so it

1394
01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:30,160
should attract a lot of attention will

1395
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:32,860
you allow me to write an article in UFO

1396
01:04:36,330 --> 01:04:34,390
magazine which was a printed magazine

1397
01:04:39,870 --> 01:04:36,340
went all around the world very big

1398
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:39,880
publications spin and he said yes

1399
01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:42,100
because he realized I was a very

1400
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:43,720
credible person because of my placing

1401
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:45,610
background I was a serving detective

1402
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:47,530
this she was a bit unusual so he said

1403
01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:51,540
yeah okay so basically in January 2002 I

1404
01:04:56,910 --> 01:04:54,580
launched with that first article in the

1405
01:05:00,300 --> 01:04:56,920
January issue of UFO magazine the

1406
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:00,310
database probably and it wasn't a

1407
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:03,430
cascade of flood of reports but I began

1408
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,330
to get retired officers writing to me

1409
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,000
emailing me ringing me because I've

1410
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:12,400
given my contact details out and they

1411
01:05:18,210 --> 01:05:14,650
sad to tell me about experiences they'd

1412
01:05:20,790 --> 01:05:18,220
had and I was already aware of some

1413
01:05:23,490 --> 01:05:20,800
historical cases that had been reported

1414
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,500
in books and in magazines so coupled

1415
01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:25,920
with those I then started to do

1416
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:28,840
newspaper archive trials and things and

1417
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:31,300
found more and so it's a combination so

1418
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:33,730
when I went public I attracted national

1419
01:05:39,450 --> 01:05:37,210
media initially and did quite a lot of

1420
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:39,460
interviews TV radio that kind of thing

1421
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:42,880
and it literally took off from there I

1422
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:47,020
began with six cases involving about 10

1423
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:50,590
to 12 police officers now the latest

1424
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:53,260
figures and I don't do much research now

1425
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:54,910
because I do them on the US floor truth

1426
01:06:00,210 --> 01:05:56,890
magazine that takes a lot of my time and

1427
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:00,220
careful green and writing but the

1428
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:03,610
current figure is approximately 1,100

1429
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:07,510
cases involved in over five hundred and

1430
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:09,850
fifty cases involving over 1100 British

1431
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:11,890
police officers so that's a hell of a

1432
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:16,750
lot in the 17 years 18 19 years since it

1433
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:20,110
launched one of the things that I never

1434
01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:22,540
anticipated was that

1435
01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:25,780
so UFO groups in the UK were began to

1436
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,550
ask me to do lectures something I'd

1437
01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:29,440
never done didn't know that I could

1438
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:32,230
lecture but found that actually standing

1439
01:06:35,610 --> 01:06:33,370
in front of

1440
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:35,620
50 people hundred people 200 people it

1441
01:06:39,330 --> 01:06:37,330
made no difference to me I found myself

1442
01:06:41,340 --> 01:06:39,340
actually very comfortable in front of an

1443
01:06:43,650 --> 01:06:41,350
audience was my colleagues will run a

1444
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:43,660
mile to go in front of a TV camera or

1445
01:06:47,070 --> 01:06:45,640
anything like that but I guess it just

1446
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:47,080
came natural to me

1447
01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:49,690
and that was the spinoff so I started to

1448
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:51,460
do lectures all around the country and

1449
01:06:58,140 --> 01:06:56,050
then from 2010 onwards I then we going

1450
01:07:01,710 --> 01:06:58,150
to do international lectures all around

1451
01:07:02,490 --> 01:07:01,720
the world in 2010 Steve Bassett gave me

1452
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,500
the PRG

1453
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:04,960
they were effectively world disclosure

1454
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:08,410
award which was totally unexpected which

1455
01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:11,920
obviously added to my credibility and so

1456
01:07:17,970 --> 01:07:15,160
I you know I think now to 18 countries

1457
01:07:19,860 --> 01:07:17,980
I've I've lectured around the world and

1458
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,870
that and I always pinch myself that

1459
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:22,000
people are prepared to pay for my

1460
01:07:25,950 --> 01:07:23,770
flights and hotels just for me to speak

1461
01:07:27,690 --> 01:07:25,960
for an hour or an hour an hour I find it

1462
01:07:30,270 --> 01:07:27,700
very bizarre very find it very humbling

1463
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:30,280
and because for a little guy from school

1464
01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:33,910
thought my hometown I've gone on a very

1465
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:39,070
strange convoluted journey and it's

1466
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:42,070
still continuing and where it will take

1467
01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:45,310
me I don't know but I mean 2013 I gave

1468
01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:47,740
testimony at the citizens hearings which

1469
01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:51,430
to me was an absolute privilege and I

1470
01:07:56,430 --> 01:07:53,140
gave testimony on behalf of police

1471
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:56,440
officers worldwide that was bizarre

1472
01:08:00,240 --> 01:07:58,570
but you know just talk at the National

1473
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:00,250
Press Club two blocks short of the White

1474
01:08:05,970 --> 01:08:03,010
House it was an amazing thing so I'm

1475
01:08:07,890 --> 01:08:05,980
still on a journey but the the database

1476
01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:07,900
still gets reports not as many as it

1477
01:08:12,030 --> 01:08:09,580
used to but because I don't actually

1478
01:08:15,570 --> 01:08:12,040
seek it in the same way that I did I was

1479
01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:15,580
very active between 2002 and it launched

1480
01:08:21,809 --> 01:08:18,790
and up to about 2013 when I launched the

1481
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:21,819
magazine so between that time the bulk

1482
01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:24,810
of the sightings came in both historical

1483
01:08:30,090 --> 01:08:28,120
newspaper and personal offices contacted

1484
01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:30,100
me and there are some incredible stories

1485
01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:31,870
that I've been told which you probably

1486
01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:33,700
want to talk about some of those now yes

1487
01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:36,220
I do but I just want to ask you this

1488
01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:38,830
question where do these police officers

1489
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:41,230
come from is it just the UK or is it

1490
01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:45,040
worldwide now the the proposed police

1491
01:08:49,470 --> 01:08:46,900
database is on

1492
01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:49,480
for serving in retired UK police

1493
01:08:59,070 --> 01:08:54,040
officers I see okay Oh although I have

1494
01:09:01,260 --> 01:08:59,080
been contacted by many US South African

1495
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:01,270
Police over the time or from time to

1496
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:02,790
time I'll get overseas reports

1497
01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:06,640
Australian but I keep it to the UK

1498
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:10,180
because that's the country I know and I

1499
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:11,470
can attest to some of the police

1500
01:09:14,670 --> 01:09:12,370
procedures

1501
01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:14,680
whereas I wouldn't know particularly

1502
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:17,380
American police procedures Australian

1503
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:19,990
police procedures but the basic idea

1504
01:09:27,540 --> 01:09:24,010
that a serving police officer could be

1505
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:27,550
replicated anywhere around the world so

1506
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:29,050
you could have the equivalents in the

1507
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,570
overproof laws proof was police database

1508
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:33,520
police report new earth force in any

1509
01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:35,710
country all it would take is a serving

1510
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:38,500
or retired officer to do so and they

1511
01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:41,200
what what absolutely helped right from

1512
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:43,060
the off was the fact that one I was

1513
01:09:47,970 --> 01:09:45,910
serving and two I could talk to them in

1514
01:09:49,530 --> 01:09:47,980
a language that they understood because

1515
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:49,540
there were certain things that you could

1516
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,850
say off air as it were that immediately

1517
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,400
realized that you were talking to

1518
01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:55,600
another police officer we just had a

1519
01:10:00,300 --> 01:09:57,880
common bond I guess like a fireman - a

1520
01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:00,310
fireman a pilot to a pilot that kind of

1521
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:03,220
thing and so as time went on and I got

1522
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:05,890
quite a lot of media coverage then then

1523
01:10:11,670 --> 01:10:09,070
people realized and even officially I

1524
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:11,680
was the single point of contact for

1525
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:15,130
several County police forces district

1526
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:17,070
police forces so if they had a sighting

1527
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:18,970
they would say well do you want to talk

1528
01:10:23,130 --> 01:10:20,770
to this guy because he collects reports

1529
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:23,140
and they would also send me their police

1530
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:27,790
reports as well so it was something that

1531
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:30,130
I'm extremely proud of I had no idea

1532
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:32,050
that it would take me on this weird and

1533
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:34,870
wonderful journey but it's but it's

1534
01:10:39,390 --> 01:10:37,450
something I'm very proud of excellent

1535
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:39,400
we're gonna be taking calls in about 10

1536
01:10:44,670 --> 01:10:41,770
minutes so what they listener out there

1537
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:44,680
to know that if you ever call I'll put

1538
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:46,390
that number up in about 10 minutes and

1539
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:48,250
I'll announce it then but yeah let's

1540
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:50,890
hear some of the cases that you think

1541
01:10:57,450 --> 01:10:54,640
are really fascinating well there there

1542
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:57,460
is so many but there are always some

1543
01:11:00,839 --> 01:10:59,440
that kind of like just take your breath

1544
01:11:05,069 --> 01:11:00,849
away

1545
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:05,079
here's one where two police officers who

1546
01:11:10,979 --> 01:11:09,130
were protecting a British cabinet

1547
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:10,989
minister so someone high up in the

1548
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:16,800
government he was on a route to another

1549
01:11:22,109 --> 01:11:18,840
[Music]

1550
01:11:24,299 --> 01:11:22,119
appointment and it was crossed country

1551
01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:24,309
so they decided that they were going to

1552
01:11:28,770 --> 01:11:26,409
stay overnight in this like country

1553
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:28,780
mansion so they were doing the

1554
01:11:35,459 --> 01:11:31,960
protection of this cabinet minister he

1555
01:11:37,759 --> 01:11:35,469
will be named at some point in a book

1556
01:11:42,029 --> 01:11:37,769
that I write about police officers and

1557
01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:42,039
basically he was in the hotel overnight

1558
01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:44,260
stop it's 5:00 in the morning it's

1559
01:11:48,029 --> 01:11:46,300
summer the sun's come up it's one of

1560
01:11:50,939 --> 01:11:48,039
those beautiful blueSky not a cloud in

1561
01:11:53,819 --> 01:11:50,949
the sky and there were eating the

1562
01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:53,829
cabinet ministers in bed asleep and it's

1563
01:11:57,899 --> 01:11:55,420
fine in the morning and they're walking

1564
01:11:59,250 --> 01:11:57,909
in the grounds of the perimeter of the

1565
01:12:01,739 --> 01:11:59,260
house they're just walking around the

1566
01:12:03,509 --> 01:12:01,749
grounds of the house literally just

1567
01:12:05,969 --> 01:12:03,519
following the outline of the building

1568
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:05,979
and then suddenly the sky goes dark and

1569
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:07,780
they look up and there is a huge

1570
01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:11,340
cylindrical purple coloured UFO

1571
01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:15,190
approximately 100 meters long above the

1572
01:12:22,529 --> 01:12:18,070
house where the cabinet minister is Wow

1573
01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:22,539
one of them uh drew his weapon and his

1574
01:12:27,029 --> 01:12:24,550
mate said to him I don't think I'll be

1575
01:12:28,890 --> 01:12:27,039
much use now because of the size of this

1576
01:12:30,839 --> 01:12:28,900
thing it was completely silent it

1577
01:12:32,819 --> 01:12:30,849
blocked out the sky that's what caused

1578
01:12:35,549 --> 01:12:32,829
him to look up they looked up in

1579
01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:35,559
absolute awe and astonishment and then

1580
01:12:43,469 --> 01:12:38,889
in the blink of an eye shot off towards

1581
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:43,479
the horizon stopped briefly got a great

1582
01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:46,090
story corroborated by two effectively

1583
01:12:50,580 --> 01:12:48,340
doing close protection work to a cabinet

1584
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:50,590
minister now that that's an interesting

1585
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:54,210
case in itself another case where three

1586
01:12:59,600 --> 01:12:56,650
police officers in the middle of the

1587
01:13:02,399 --> 01:12:59,610
night have met up in a rural area and

1588
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:02,409
then suddenly way off in the distance

1589
01:13:08,219 --> 01:13:05,679
they see a flash on the horizon just for

1590
01:13:10,529 --> 01:13:08,229
a split second they look it's they're

1591
01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:10,539
only a second they can't determine what

1592
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:13,960
it is and it's gone five minutes later

1593
01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:17,080
in a rural location and less than 500

1594
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:19,989
meters from where they were suddenly an

1595
01:13:27,450 --> 01:13:24,659
object appears it doesn't arrive it just

1596
01:13:29,939 --> 01:13:27,460
blinks on in the click of an eye and

1597
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:29,949
appears in front of them at least at an

1598
01:13:39,899 --> 01:13:33,760
altitude of about 500 feet it's the size

1599
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:39,909
of I don't know 10 times the size of a

1600
01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:43,120
football sized pitch big football sized

1601
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:46,300
ice object with six or seven smaller

1602
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:48,820
objects silently flying around the

1603
01:13:54,090 --> 01:13:51,370
perimeter of the craft it's shining the

1604
01:13:57,149 --> 01:13:54,100
beam down across the terrain like

1605
01:13:58,590 --> 01:13:57,159
scanning the terrain silently lighting

1606
01:14:01,229 --> 01:13:58,600
up as it day

1607
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:01,239
and they watch this thing for several

1608
01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:04,449
minutes and then suddenly blink of an

1609
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,480
eye no noise gone doesn't go up down

1610
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:09,760
left or right it just turns out like a

1611
01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:13,449
light bulb when amazed exciting another

1612
01:14:19,620 --> 01:14:17,020
sighting and this is always made me

1613
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:19,630
laugh and it's one I quoted at the

1614
01:14:25,050 --> 01:14:22,239
citizens hearings because I wanted to

1615
01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:25,060
make this reference point to size two

1616
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:26,440
police officers uniformed police

1617
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:31,170
officers were packed up early morning

1618
01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:34,330
and then suddenly they become aware that

1619
01:14:39,780 --> 01:14:37,300
there's a huge dark object blocking out

1620
01:14:42,450 --> 01:14:39,790
the sky they look and just above treetop

1621
01:14:46,110 --> 01:14:42,460
level they see one of these famous black

1622
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,120
triangles no noise but they describe it

1623
01:14:51,149 --> 01:14:49,120
as the size of three football fields

1624
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:51,159
now I immediately came back to the

1625
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:53,110
officer and said the size of three

1626
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:55,090
football fields how can you say that he

1627
01:15:00,200 --> 01:14:56,890
says because when we saw it was above

1628
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,210
three football fields that's a great

1629
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:02,800
confirmation of size police officer wise

1630
01:15:06,750 --> 01:15:05,409
that's a great way to determine that you

1631
01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:06,760
throw it back to them how can you

1632
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:08,590
confirm how can you tell it was at that

1633
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,110
time oh well I looked at my watch at

1634
01:15:15,419 --> 01:15:12,880
that kind of thing and it was a great

1635
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:15,429
confirmation of science so a silent

1636
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:18,790
black triangle in a semi-rural area the

1637
01:15:24,930 --> 01:15:21,820
size of three football pitches that just

1638
01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:24,940
hovered there silently and then shut off

1639
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:26,940
in the blink of an eye and gone

1640
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:29,010
these are the kind of things that police

1641
01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:32,490
officers see another one one that's

1642
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:34,350
never gone public because the officer

1643
01:15:38,210 --> 01:15:36,210
doesn't want it going public until

1644
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:38,220
probably he dies I thought be a while

1645
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:40,530
but basically I've got him on a video

1646
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:42,630
camera telling me about this story where

1647
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,970
he's traveling over what he's called the

1648
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:47,340
pen irons which is a high set of hills

1649
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:50,130
not mountains hills and he's traveling

1650
01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:52,770
over the hills in a very rural area and

1651
01:15:58,610 --> 01:15:55,620
just as he's going over the tops he sees

1652
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:58,620
through broken cloud a huge triangular

1653
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:01,560
object but this is literally flying

1654
01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:04,050
above their car he stops to pull over

1655
01:16:09,530 --> 01:16:07,470
his wife's in the car with him he gets

1656
01:16:12,860 --> 01:16:09,540
out and he looked up and there is an

1657
01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:12,870
object and he can see its undercarriage

1658
01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:15,870
structure and there are rows of like

1659
01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:18,900
rails inside he's looking up inside the

1660
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:21,630
triangle all in total silence and then

1661
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,210
it's slowly not fast it just slowly

1662
01:16:30,610 --> 01:16:26,880
drifts away off over the hills into the

1663
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,620
distance there's no with police officers

1664
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:33,360
they rarely put their head above the

1665
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:36,960
parapet for fear of ridicule I fear that

1666
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:39,450
it's gonna risk their career so when

1667
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:41,730
these people come forward you can pretty

1668
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:44,340
much know within a minute of talking to

1669
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:47,370
them house in Syria and and like I've

1670
01:16:51,380 --> 01:16:49,710
spoken to Salah and they're saying I'm

1671
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:51,390
embarrassed to tell you and I said a lot

1672
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:53,250
I've heard many many things just just

1673
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:55,050
tell me nothing or surprise me now and

1674
01:17:00,980 --> 01:16:58,110
you might spend the first 30 minutes

1675
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:00,990
just getting them to feel comfortable to

1676
01:17:07,070 --> 01:17:03,840
relate the story and then these amazing

1677
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:07,080
stories come out you know there there

1678
01:17:12,710 --> 01:17:09,300
are so many cases like that of flying

1679
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:12,720
triangles so many cases of huge

1680
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:15,570
cylindrical object some layer films I've

1681
01:17:21,230 --> 01:17:18,060
got one clip on the film where two

1682
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:21,240
police officers a man and wife who we

1683
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,210
were on shift together uniform they make

1684
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:26,640
mo shift at the end of their garden they

1685
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:28,980
saw a huge cylindrical object that they

1686
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:30,930
described about two to four hundred feet

1687
01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:32,310
long silent

1688
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:35,070
we'd like a row of windows just silently

1689
01:17:39,260 --> 01:17:36,780
hover in there and they filmed it on

1690
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:39,270
their mobile form briefly and then

1691
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:41,310
it was stood in an upright position

1692
01:17:45,650 --> 01:17:43,320
normative propulsion it was just

1693
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:45,660
rotating on its own axis and then the

1694
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:47,970
video clip which I put out that lectures

1695
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:50,280
you could see it rotating in the Sun and

1696
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:52,860
as the Sun turn as it turns you can see

1697
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:54,450
the Sun reflecting off the metallic

1698
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:56,250
structure and there is nothing to keep

1699
01:17:59,240 --> 01:17:57,840
that object there and they said they

1700
01:18:01,760 --> 01:17:59,250
watched it for several minutes and then

1701
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:01,770
it just shot off with speed there are

1702
01:18:06,140 --> 01:18:03,930
many many characteristics to what you

1703
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,150
see that are so common instant

1704
01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:09,360
acceleration instant stop vertical

1705
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:12,270
acceleration straight or straight down

1706
01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:15,510
right angle turns reversals it's visible

1707
01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:17,640
one second then it's invisible and

1708
01:18:23,390 --> 01:18:20,760
generally no nice although sometimes low

1709
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:23,400
homies head sometimes as a loud a noise

1710
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:25,800
but generally ninety percent total

1711
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:27,930
silence and we're often talking huge

1712
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:30,210
objects so these are the kind of

1713
01:18:34,420 --> 01:18:32,250
sightings that people have and they're

1714
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:34,430
not uncommon and they've been reported

1715
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:37,230
literally for decades and the flying

1716
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:39,030
triangles have been around for a long

1717
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:41,610
time not just from the seventies onwards

1718
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:43,470
they've been flying triangle cases for a

1719
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,510
long time that's right that's right

1720
01:18:49,460 --> 01:18:48,480
wow this is uh those a fascinating cases

1721
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:49,470
really amazing

1722
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:51,450
we're ready to start to open the phone

1723
01:18:55,670 --> 01:18:52,860
lines here in about three minutes but I

1724
01:19:00,170 --> 01:18:55,680
wanted to and we may or may not cause

1725
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:00,180
you never know week to week but you said

1726
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:02,250
there's about I think I believe you said

1727
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:07,170
something like 550 cases and 1100 did I

1728
01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:09,650
say 1,100 office yes that's right so

1729
01:19:15,710 --> 01:19:13,500
does that mean that what we're talking

1730
01:19:18,380 --> 01:19:15,720
about here is there's at least two

1731
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:18,390
police officers or you know on a lot of

1732
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,850
these cases or are there a lot of or

1733
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:22,500
there are there a number of situations

1734
01:19:27,380 --> 01:19:25,050
where there was a lot of police officers

1735
01:19:31,670 --> 01:19:27,390
actually seeing this one particular

1736
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:31,680
sighting what you have as a percentage

1737
01:19:34,940 --> 01:19:33,480
I'm not a big lover of statistics

1738
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:34,950
because having worked in the police you

1739
01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:36,690
can twist statistics any way you want

1740
01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:41,150
but some statistics have been done and

1741
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,670
generally 2/3 of all of the on-duty

1742
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,040
sightings ie when they're physically

1743
01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:50,400
working or on duty two-thirds are

1744
01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:52,550
multiple officer corroboree

1745
01:19:58,540 --> 01:19:55,220
sightings so two or more and there are

1746
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:58,550
literally dozens of four five six

1747
01:20:06,820 --> 01:20:02,320
officer cases one case is 22 plus

1748
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:06,830
another one is about 17 Plus and what

1749
01:20:16,090 --> 01:20:12,440
you find is is if one car sees it in a

1750
01:20:18,190 --> 01:20:16,100
certain area then they go over the air

1751
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:18,200
and then in other Casas I'm three miles

1752
01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:20,330
away I can see this too and you get this

1753
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:22,520
kind of triangulation effect where

1754
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:25,010
multiple officers see different things

1755
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:27,410
from different perspectives and and in

1756
01:20:32,170 --> 01:20:29,570
the biggest case I've got it's 22

1757
01:20:34,570 --> 01:20:32,180
officers plus and that was called the

1758
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:34,580
Cosford incident which is been highly

1759
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:39,440
reported from 1993 and it's one of the

1760
01:20:46,420 --> 01:20:42,590
rare cases where Nick pop did some work

1761
01:20:50,110 --> 01:20:46,430
on it and concluded that there was some

1762
01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:50,120
object in the UK airspace but it's a

1763
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:52,600
fascinating case and the object there

1764
01:20:58,930 --> 01:20:55,610
traveled all over several regional we

1765
01:21:02,530 --> 01:20:58,940
call them counties in our area which are

1766
01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:02,540
many millions per County and literally

1767
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:06,380
on that sighting it lasted several about

1768
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:09,530
200 miles the course of the journey not

1769
01:21:14,740 --> 01:21:12,890
too similar not too dissimilar to if you

1770
01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:14,750
think of the Phoenix lights had been

1771
01:21:19,330 --> 01:21:17,150
tracked way before it got to Phoenix and

1772
01:21:20,860 --> 01:21:19,340
was seen and videotaped

1773
01:21:22,210 --> 01:21:20,870
lots of people were saying that they've

1774
01:21:24,370 --> 01:21:22,220
been watching it and following it

1775
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:24,380
leading up to the Phoenix sighting so

1776
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:28,910
very similar to that so as a there are

1777
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:31,340
two types of sighting there are on duty

1778
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,250
sightings ieave police officers working

1779
01:21:39,820 --> 01:21:37,040
and two I have a category for off-duty

1780
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:39,830
sightings because for me I don't really

1781
01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:42,530
see a distinction if a police officer is

1782
01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:45,320
off-duty if they see something while

1783
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:46,670
he's still using the same thought

1784
01:21:51,610 --> 01:21:48,590
processes you're still using the same

1785
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,620
training that he's being given on what

1786
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:53,600
to look any any and he's aware of how to

1787
01:21:58,690 --> 01:21:56,810
write it up in a sense for cops you

1788
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,700
write if you talk to a police officer

1789
01:22:02,170 --> 01:22:00,800
the police you don't write your own

1790
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:02,180
statement because you don't know how to

1791
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:05,090
write it for caught police officers talk

1792
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:05,940
to you then

1793
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:07,890
right on your statement and really back

1794
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:09,480
to you then said you well certainly knew

1795
01:22:13,310 --> 01:22:11,640
you care they say are you happy without

1796
01:22:17,420 --> 01:22:13,320
doing if you're happy without signing

1797
01:22:19,730 --> 01:22:17,430
kind of thing well that's because the

1798
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,740
public do not know how the court system

1799
01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:22,440
worked so you you tell the story to a

1800
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,180
police officer you rights it or and then

1801
01:22:29,420 --> 01:22:25,920
you play it you read it back and they

1802
01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:29,430
sign it as an accurate record well so in

1803
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:32,520
a sense a police officer is trained in a

1804
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:36,420
methodical way chronologically to put

1805
01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:38,850
things in order and think of how we

1806
01:22:44,630 --> 01:22:41,220
would write it up if this was a genuine

1807
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:44,640
criminal incident and he had to write it

1808
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:47,400
up in his police notebook and so that's

1809
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:49,020
basically where British police officers

1810
01:22:55,010 --> 01:22:52,110
come from and police officers when I

1811
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,020
talk to them they they will not go

1812
01:23:00,530 --> 01:22:57,840
forward unless I rarely go forward

1813
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:00,540
publicly unless there is cooperation but

1814
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:02,970
from time to time people have done that

1815
01:23:08,930 --> 01:23:05,370
and they're to be applauded because we

1816
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:08,940
need people to stand up and in a sense

1817
01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:11,010
go public with these amazing counters

1818
01:23:17,690 --> 01:23:14,100
and they do so at some cost of what a

1819
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:17,700
very famous British case is that of

1820
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:20,610
police constable Alan Godfrey who is

1821
01:23:26,830 --> 01:23:23,370
widely recognized in the UK has been the

1822
01:23:29,450 --> 01:23:26,840
first British well-accepted media-wise

1823
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:29,460
abduction case there have been cases

1824
01:23:33,650 --> 01:23:31,650
earlier but he was the one that in a

1825
01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:33,660
sense went public went around the world

1826
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,870
it was all over the British TV he was

1827
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,600
interviewed for many years you know he's

1828
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:41,040
been interviewed by film crews all over

1829
01:23:47,780 --> 01:23:44,880
the world and that was a November 1980

1830
01:23:50,180 --> 01:23:47,790
just a month before a renaissance and he

1831
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:50,190
basically had an amazing experience of

1832
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:53,340
seen what he thought initially was a bus

1833
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:56,130
skidded across the road that turned out

1834
01:24:03,050 --> 01:24:00,060
to be a diamond-shaped object that was

1835
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:03,060
blocking the road in in a rural country

1836
01:24:09,410 --> 01:24:06,900
town at 5:00 in you know between five

1837
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:09,420
and six in the morning and basically he

1838
01:24:12,770 --> 01:24:11,730
said I was that close to it I could have

1839
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:12,780
thrown a brick of it and it would have

1840
01:24:19,460 --> 01:24:15,210
gone bang and it's just toggling off the

1841
01:24:22,940 --> 01:24:19,470
pound and he initially goes for his main

1842
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:22,950
radio it dies he goes for his car radio

1843
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:26,430
it dies he has a sketch brownie draws at

1844
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:28,410
it and then a strange thing happens

1845
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:30,780
there's a jump in time and he's further

1846
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:33,480
up the road like a missing time sequence

1847
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:35,580
he spins the cow around where's the

1848
01:24:41,690 --> 01:24:38,100
thing gone finds a circular patch of

1849
01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:41,700
dryer area in the road where the object

1850
01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:43,230
had been hovering it been raining it was

1851
01:24:48,380 --> 01:24:46,190
dryer the when Bob picked up a colleague

1852
01:24:51,820 --> 01:24:48,390
corroborated I investigated his story

1853
01:24:55,310 --> 01:24:51,830
it's an amazing story and that story

1854
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,320
when all around the world and it's a

1855
01:24:59,210 --> 01:24:56,880
really well-known British case

1856
01:25:00,800 --> 01:24:59,220
wow that's great we have a caller on the

1857
01:25:03,620 --> 01:25:00,810
line so the lines are open and that

1858
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:03,630
number is eight five five four seven two

1859
01:25:08,030 --> 01:25:06,060
five four eight three if you're gonna

1860
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:08,040
write that down one more time eight five

1861
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:10,890
five four seven two five four eighty

1862
01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:14,610
three that is a show number only and we

1863
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:17,640
have Andy on the air from Connecticut is

1864
01:25:25,550 --> 01:25:19,380
this the nd that saved the show last

1865
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:25,560
week yes sir thank you yeah it wasn't

1866
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:27,120
for you Andy there would have been no

1867
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:29,730
show so I do what I do thank you very

1868
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:32,910
much for last week that's right thanks

1869
01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:37,170
thanks for humoring me my question is

1870
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:41,100
for Gary as a police officer I'm curious

1871
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:44,820
to know what he thinks about the the

1872
01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:49,770
situation with witnesses all over the

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01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:53,630
world are always seeing you know

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01:26:01,130 --> 01:25:57,210
cylindrical objects cigar shaped objects

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01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:01,140
or things of that nature as you'd expect

1876
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:05,040
anything related to the UFO you know

1877
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:09,300
characteristic they're not seeing a pink

1878
01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:12,600
tricycle floating upside down while the

1879
01:26:19,900 --> 01:26:15,270
theme to Benny Hill plays there not

1880
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:19,910
being a clown talking backwards you know

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01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:24,150
in a field of uh you know rainbow

1882
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:27,360
colored grass they're always seeing the

1883
01:26:33,870 --> 01:26:31,449
same things so as a detective

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01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:33,880
and as an investigator what are your

1885
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:38,260
thoughts on the fact is are the objects

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01:26:49,410 --> 01:26:42,280
people see worldwide are they some

1887
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:49,420
unexplained you know condition or state

1888
01:26:53,459 --> 01:26:51,489
of human condition where you're you did

1889
01:26:56,490 --> 01:26:53,469
people tend to see the same silly thing

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01:26:59,640 --> 01:26:56,500
or obviously I think it's really

1891
01:27:04,620 --> 01:26:59,650
happening but but it's isn't it odd that

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01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:04,630
we're always only seeing UFOs we're not

1893
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:06,730
seeing those other bizarre things I

1894
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:09,850
mentioned or anything like that well

1895
01:27:18,180 --> 01:27:13,030
what are your thoughts on that when I

1896
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,190
went public in 2002 I was obviously had

1897
01:27:22,590 --> 01:27:20,320
launched a database for primarily police

1898
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:22,600
officers but because I was on the media

1899
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:25,210
I used to get a lot of members of the

1900
01:27:30,750 --> 01:27:28,120
public calling me because hey I'm this

1901
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:30,760
police officer I'll tell this guy and so

1902
01:27:36,270 --> 01:27:34,239
I had to begin to get used to members of

1903
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:36,280
the public talking to me and what I can

1904
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:39,310
tell you is that in my experience of the

1905
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:44,710
last 18 years I know within a minute or

1906
01:27:52,459 --> 01:27:48,310
so if someone is genuine enough and what

1907
01:27:55,020 --> 01:27:52,469
tends to happen is the whoever it is

1908
01:27:58,530 --> 01:27:55,030
within a minute you can tell they are

1909
01:28:01,140 --> 01:27:58,540
relaying replaying the incident in their

1910
01:28:03,660 --> 01:28:01,150
head and there's a certain way that that

1911
01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:03,670
the tone of their voice you can tell

1912
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:07,630
that they're just sincere and this is

1913
01:28:13,050 --> 01:28:10,390
common I think all around the world and

1914
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:13,060
unfortunately pass the Robertson panel

1915
01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:17,110
in 53 anybody born after 1953 is lived

1916
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:19,060
in a world of debunking and it's been a

1917
01:28:24,180 --> 01:28:21,810
very successful policy it's worked

1918
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:24,190
fantastically Welland but unfortunately

1919
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,810
the United States has controlled the

1920
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:28,080
subject and had been largely responsible

1921
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,870
for that playing down of the subject

1922
01:28:39,060 --> 01:28:34,239
Britain follows America's lead always

1923
01:28:41,220 --> 01:28:39,070
ever since but I met world renowned

1924
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:41,230
researchers all over the world and we

1925
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:42,850
all talk about the same thing they all

1926
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:44,410
talk about the same kind of

1927
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:47,260
and you're right they see cylindrical

1928
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:48,910
objects they see sources they see

1929
01:28:55,020 --> 01:28:51,550
triangles and these are very credible

1930
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:55,030
people but depending on where you are in

1931
01:29:01,080 --> 01:28:58,480
the world is how the subject is read for

1932
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:01,090
example the first time I went to Brazil

1933
01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:06,510
I think in 2012 the conference's were

1934
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:09,340
absolutely packed to the rafters with

1935
01:29:13,530 --> 01:29:11,350
hundreds outside wouldn't you love to

1936
01:29:15,660 --> 01:29:13,540
get in and there was just no tickets the

1937
01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:15,670
attitude in the South American countries

1938
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:18,910
is entirely different from the u.s. from

1939
01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:22,480
Britain and Europe there it's not

1940
01:29:30,030 --> 01:29:24,940
ridiculed and countries like Mexico

1941
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,040
Chile Peru they are all pretty much

1942
01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:32,800
openly accepting that these things are

1943
01:29:36,990 --> 01:29:34,750
real as in an extraterrestrial presence

1944
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:37,000
and for example at that first conference

1945
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:40,930
there was a general from the Brazilian

1946
01:29:47,180 --> 01:29:43,930
Air Force present at a UFO conference

1947
01:29:51,060 --> 01:29:47,190
there was a colonel from the Uruguayan

1948
01:29:54,990 --> 01:29:51,070
I think military there in the uniform

1949
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:55,000
now that would not happen in the US that

1950
01:30:00,780 --> 01:29:56,650
would not happen in Europe that would

1951
01:30:03,810 --> 01:30:00,790
not happen in the UK and so it's about

1952
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:03,820
attitudes but again let me give you

1953
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:05,890
another example about how real this

1954
01:30:13,190 --> 01:30:09,610
subject is my friend and colleague AJ

1955
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:13,200
Rivard from Brazil who runs his own

1956
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:17,530
printed magazine in Brazil I've been

1957
01:30:23,790 --> 01:30:20,410
there several times since he has been

1958
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,800
doing long-term research of the kind of

1959
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:25,840
like people that live along the Amazon

1960
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:29,130
these are pretty much third-world

1961
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:31,570
villages set along the banks of the

1962
01:30:37,410 --> 01:30:34,960
Amazon pretty much don't have any real

1963
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:37,420
contact with the outside world and he

1964
01:30:43,230 --> 01:30:39,850
will every year take a boat and do a

1965
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:43,240
week's journey down parts of it because

1966
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:44,890
it's so big he's been doing this many

1967
01:30:50,010 --> 01:30:47,710
years and he collects these stories from

1968
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:50,020
the local inhabitants and their world

1969
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:52,450
might be only two miles won't wear down

1970
01:30:56,129 --> 01:30:53,890
the river and two miles down the other

1971
01:30:58,889 --> 01:30:56,139
entire lives and down to that

1972
01:31:01,560 --> 01:30:58,899
and he has come to learn that may have

1973
01:31:03,389 --> 01:31:01,570
seen remarkable objects just the same as

1974
01:31:06,750 --> 01:31:03,399
anyone else and yet they don't have

1975
01:31:10,679 --> 01:31:06,760
access to TV radio newspapers film etc

1976
01:31:12,839 --> 01:31:10,689
so that in a sense is the purest form of

1977
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:12,849
corroboration that it's a worldwide

1978
01:31:19,979 --> 01:31:15,519
phenomena and the same objects are seen

1979
01:31:23,449 --> 01:31:19,989
worldwide so it's very real I agree with

1980
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:23,459
broadly the three percent of all cases

1981
01:31:29,879 --> 01:31:25,449
after investigation

1982
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:29,889
ret 95% of everything is generally can

1983
01:31:33,509 --> 01:31:30,610
be explained

1984
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:33,519
anomalous is misinterpretation that

1985
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:35,409
mysteric that kind of thing just plain

1986
01:31:41,850 --> 01:31:39,249
mistake 5% residue of the 5% when

1987
01:31:43,919 --> 01:31:41,860
investigators delve into those you may

1988
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:43,929
be losing all the 2% but you're always

1989
01:31:48,089 --> 01:31:47,110
left of a hard core of 3% that defy

1990
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:48,099
explanation

1991
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:50,649
after investigation and that's the key

1992
01:31:55,850 --> 01:31:53,409
thing after investigation and many of

1993
01:31:58,739 --> 01:31:55,860
those cases we're well aware of those

1994
01:32:00,839 --> 01:31:58,749
you know they're in that category many

1995
01:32:02,759 --> 01:32:00,849
of them are relate to pilot cases and

1996
01:32:05,129 --> 01:32:02,769
military pilot that's 2,000 military

1997
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:05,139
pilots 3,000 commercial pilots got on

1998
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:06,729
the right guard over the years you know

1999
01:32:11,639 --> 01:32:09,369
hundreds of raid our operators sonar

2000
01:32:15,389 --> 01:32:11,649
operators air traffic controllers it's a

2001
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:15,399
huge body of evidence if we lived in a

2002
01:32:19,979 --> 01:32:17,260
different climate and I think it is

2003
01:32:22,500 --> 01:32:19,989
changing and and it is it has changed

2004
01:32:25,469 --> 01:32:22,510
significantly or is beginning to change

2005
01:32:29,459 --> 01:32:25,479
as a result of what Leslie can put out

2006
01:32:31,949 --> 01:32:29,469
in December 16 2017 about the Tic Tac

2007
01:32:34,469 --> 01:32:31,959
incident and obviously we've now learned

2008
01:32:38,069 --> 01:32:34,479
a lot more about the nimitz incident and

2009
01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:38,079
subsequent other incidents in 2014-2015

2010
01:32:41,909 --> 01:32:40,030
you know I've talked to some of those

2011
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:41,919
people who were involved it's an amazing

2012
01:32:45,959 --> 01:32:44,169
case all right well hey Andy we have

2013
01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:45,969
another caller so thank you so much for

2014
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:48,550
the the call and thanks again for last

2015
01:32:52,109 --> 01:32:50,110
week all right

2016
01:32:55,529 --> 01:32:52,119
all right so we have another caller and

2017
01:32:58,069 --> 01:32:55,539
that is Josh josh is calling from

2018
01:33:01,229 --> 01:32:58,079
Massachusetts welcome to the show Josh

2019
01:33:03,089 --> 01:33:01,239
listen Josh quickly we hope we have a we

2020
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:03,099
Trish we only have a couple minutes here

2021
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:07,050
so go ahead

2022
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:09,760
you still on with Gary ray

2023
01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:11,920
yes you are yes you're on with Gary he's

2024
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:14,230
with us right now we're all set to go so

2025
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:24,240
so first real quick I love the show I

2026
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:31,090
had welcome fighting about a year ago it

2027
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:36,130
was about the shape of a tune again and

2028
01:33:42,090 --> 01:33:39,760
it had a barbershop hold type of light

2029
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,100
running around the rim and I had never

2030
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:44,320
heard anybody talk about that kind of

2031
01:33:49,860 --> 01:33:46,690
lighting or this kind of object until

2032
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:49,870
you had the move on our team member on

2033
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:53,410
your show I wish I could remember his

2034
01:33:59,700 --> 01:33:56,890
name he you asked him what got him into

2035
01:34:02,550 --> 01:33:59,710
UFOs and he described in season and he

2036
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:02,560
was a 13 where him in his entire

2037
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:04,239
neighborhood in the middle of it today

2038
01:34:10,860 --> 01:34:08,680
saw the exact same object and I just

2039
01:34:12,990 --> 01:34:10,870
wanted to share this with you because if

2040
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:13,000
not for you and your interview we

2041
01:34:17,010 --> 01:34:14,830
connected would have never have been

2042
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,020
made so I thank you for that Martin sure

2043
01:34:22,860 --> 01:34:19,840
yeah that's a bizarre that's a bizarre I

2044
01:34:26,450 --> 01:34:22,870
like the bizarre ones because there some

2045
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:26,460
reason they seem almost so more credible

2046
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:29,260
because you know like no you wouldn't

2047
01:34:33,930 --> 01:34:32,290
you're right that's a good point when

2048
01:34:36,030 --> 01:34:33,940
people are almost embarrassed to tell

2049
01:34:38,460 --> 01:34:36,040
you that's actually a good reassurance

2050
01:34:40,350 --> 01:34:38,470
that something really happened because

2051
01:34:41,850 --> 01:34:40,360
something happened that's really strange

2052
01:34:43,650 --> 01:34:41,860
so no that was a very interesting case

2053
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:43,660
and by the way I have a bit of a couple

2054
01:34:49,500 --> 01:34:47,530
of kind of bodyshop strips before is

2055
01:34:50,430 --> 01:34:49,510
that right is that row yeah that's

2056
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:50,440
amazing to me

2057
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:52,690
well Gary we are Garrett we're out of

2058
01:34:56,970 --> 01:34:55,090
time and I want to thank you so much for

2059
01:34:59,400 --> 01:34:56,980
can I just give you a special offer to

2060
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:59,410
your listeners yes you've already had if

2061
01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:02,080
anybody emails me Hesseltine Gary at

2062
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:03,960
hotmail.com you can put it out on the

2063
01:35:09,090 --> 01:35:07,540
place they can have a free copy of UFO

2064
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:09,100
truth magazine that's the magazine I do

2065
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:11,770
that goes worldwide it's an online easy

2066
01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:13,630
and so if the email me instead of

2067
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:15,430
listened to your show they can get a

2068
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:17,650
free copy how about that and that's a

2069
01:35:23,370 --> 01:35:20,650
that's a 96 page publication that comes

2070
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:23,380
out bimonthly correct

2071
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:25,510
yes excellent well Gary thanks so much

2072
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:28,000
and thanks for hanging in and you know

2073
01:35:33,210 --> 01:35:29,950
we got into some interesting discussions

2074
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,220
for sure I know I appreciate it anyways

2075
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:35,920
it was a good discussion and I guess you

2076
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:37,570
will not have this kind of discussion

2077
01:35:42,660 --> 01:35:40,000
certainly about Rendlesham too often on

2078
01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:42,670
the United States that's right all right

2079
01:35:46,350 --> 01:35:44,830
you take care all right thank you very

2080
01:35:48,210 --> 01:35:46,360
much all right thanks all right everyone

2081
01:35:51,420 --> 01:35:48,220
so that's it for the show this evening

2082
01:35:54,060 --> 01:35:51,430
next week we have Chris Rutkowski on and

2083
01:35:55,230 --> 01:35:54,070
we'll be back with him I want to thank

2084
01:35:59,430 --> 01:35:55,240
everyone that helps out with the show

2085
01:36:06,830 --> 01:35:59,440
and everyone that is listening and I'll